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Business owners should be allowed to work for whom they choose.

Would you say that about a denial of service to a Muslim or a black person, Saudia? You see, even if you say that being gay is a choice (which is isn’t) then how is it different from being of a certain religion. Would you be ‘okay’ with a restaurant saying “no Christians allowed?” “Dogs and Jews not welcomed?” If not, why not?

I find it somewhat odd that you support this action. Would you support a return to the days when black’s often would not be served by businesses?

I’m not a supporter of the gay/lesbian lifestyle. That said, I’ve had a lesbian couple take childbirth classes from me and I treated them as I would any other couple. They could have deduced by position on their lifestyle based on knowing what church I attended (one of the partners was a Reconstructionist Jewish Rabbi, and she told me that she had performed a funeral together with my pastor once–and she was quite aware of my pastor’s position against homosexuality).

You played yourself when you made this comment~

“Would you support a return to the days when black’s often would not be served by businesses?”

Sorry, but the backs of Black folks are not available for you to make your ridiculous point.

Gay ain’t a race. It’s a choice one makes in their bedroom. Making a comparison between what Blacks had to endure during Jim Crow and homosexuality is downright insulting.

duane,

you’re right it’s not a race but neither is being jewish (it’s a religion and has never been a classification for race except for by bigots)but they are protected under the same hate crime laws as black people.

homosexuality is NOT a choice. no one chooses to be straight or gay… it’s a natural reaction that a person gets when they are around someone that they like. this happens even as kids when we develop our first crushes. you can’t help being attracted to the type of person you like anymore than gay people can.

with the anti-gay movements by racists and law enforcement; the ignorance and FEAR that people have of gay/lesbians are in league with what our black ancestors and jewish people have had to go through. they have been persecuted; hunted; lynched; thrown in jail; denied jobs/services/housing just like any other minority that is now protected under the law. hate and discrimination are just that no matter whom it is direct towards. it’s still wrong!

you would be blasting the crap out of these people and calling for the license if they had refused service to a black person and you know it. just because you don’t understand that it’s the same type of wrong doesn’t mean it’s not. and just because there is a law protecting them doesn’t make it right.

it’s a natural reaction that a person gets when they are around someone that they like.

Does this also apply to bisexuals?

I have to agree with Duane. When a homosexual or Jewish, or Muslim, or Christian walks out of their door, no one knows to discriminate against them because of their religious preference. When an black person, an Arab, or Asian person walks out of their home, or into a business, their race is written on their face.

I don’t agree with the choice the Farbers made to not work for a homosexual couple, but we cannot relate their struggle to those my mother and grandmother and the Civil Rights era. There is no comparison.

QLexis, brilliantly stated, I hadn’t thought of it in those exact terms before. First of all, I’m a Christian, and frankly, we are abused more often than any other group out there, and don’t express outrage at that remark, it’s true and hard to dispute. Ever heard of a movie called RELIGILOUS? When is the sequel coming out? You know, the second one called “Homos: the silent killers”? exactly, IT WONT, because its ok to discriminate against Christians because we aren’t a small group. It’s wrong to discriminate against homosexuals, but only a small portion of businesses and rented housing practice discrimination based on sexual orientation, and frankly, if they do, you should shake your head at their ignorance and go next door to someone who WON’T CARE. It’s not hard people, and there are PLENTY of places that if you went as a Christian and advertised it, you’d be laughed out, I’m thinking of certain classes and clubs in college, but what do we do? We walk away. It’s petty people, it’s petty, stuff happens, get over it and move on, if you’re really so sure your lifestyle is ok, you shouldn’t be getting bent out of shape by ignorant folk, just go home and hold the person you love and enjoy it.

And whatever yo do, DON’T COMPARE YOURSELVES TO AFRICANS OR JEWS etc. Yes, there have been violent crimes to homosexuals, yes they aren’t horribly uncommon, yes it’s wrong, but they were never enslaved, they were never killed EN MASSE like the others, you ARE NOT the same, it’s disrespectful. I’m Armenian… none of you probably even know why that gives me ground to talk right? Go look it up, we were enslaved more than anyone else in a LONG time.. I believe the song goes “Why did Constantinople get the works? That’s nobody’s business but the Turks”. Same concept.

Yes I would say the same thing. It is crappy that people won’t do business with someone for what ever reason. However, if a business owner is willing to run the risk of losing business over this then so be it. As a person with an Arabic name I am constantly called out in airports screening lines. I can’t check in online or at the self check in counter. I suppose when I get tired of it I will stop flying. People must stop cramming their lifestyle downs other people’s throats.

I would do business with anyone who does their job right. I just do not want to get sued if I choose not to. These gays are shooting themselves in the foot when they sue those who, for whatever reason, choose not to perform marriage ceremonies for them or whatever. Should I sue someone because they choose not to buy my paintings of horses because they just happen to not like horses?!?!?! Absurd!

To compare the level of discrimination from one group to other groups is ignorant. People have been killed for being homosexual throughout the history of mankind. Every major religious group has been persecuted, as have atheists and agnostics. Racial discrimination is as old as the race of man. Get the point people – its not one group against another – the point is – it’s WRONG to discriminate! For anyone, for any reason! That’s why ALL people should take a stand against ANY form of discrimination. Yes, even discrimination against groups we do not sympathize with. If you can recognize discrimination, then you should stand against it.
Gays are the current, most openly discriminated-against group in America. Their civil rights have been put to popular vote by state in almost every state in the US within the past 5 years (since when are people’s civil liberties up for popular vote? If that were the case, a dozen states in the South would still have separate but equal!), and by Presidential mandate they are not allowed to serve in the military if they admit to being gay or have a homosexual relationship. They are not afforded the same rights available to other Americans. That’s the issue here – its not color or gender or sexual orientation – its civil rights and equality for all.
As for two people who claim to be Christian refusing to offer their services to others because of their personal lifestyle choice (aka, because they are sinners), they should be ashamed. They not only discriminate against gays, but they discriminate against sin. The bible is very clear that Jesus is a friend of sinners, and that His blood is good enough to cleanse all sin. If they don’t want to serve sinners they will have a very short clientele indeed.

As a contractor I look at a job to be done.Keeping an open mind is formost in my work,I look for talent and loyalty.I have found working within the glbt community has opened many new doors.Be it my choice to be a respectfull human.I learned a long time ago right/wrong and humility.Homophobia and bigotry runs rampant in the usa,just a fact we have to deal with.As the aclu has said,American Civil Liberties Union attorney said the law appears to favor the Farbers.A sad thing indeed.

Hmm..so the game of tag,aka “MY discrimination is greater than YOUR discrimination”is alive and well,eh? Oh,well. Some old and faulty ideas-as blacks being forever attached to KFC and watermelon rinds,like a perverse umbilical cord-deserve to die a natural death. Others,like the ridiculous “gay life style” bugaboo,will have to be kicked to the curb,kicking and screaming. By the way,can you DEFINE what the term “gay lifestyle” means? And while you’re at it,define the phrase “heterosexual lifestyle”, too. And if you can somehow convince yourself that either “lifestyle” actually EXISTS,perhaps you should take a closer look in your bathroom mirror-for the answer to the bigotry that some of these comments reek of lies no further from you than does that mirror .

It makes no sense to expect genuine born again Christians to support sexual immorality in any form including homosexual immorality. It’s sinful behavior that is condemned in scripture.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. Compromising with gross sexual immorality is also unscriptural. Being uncompromising but caring enough about people to speak the truth and pray for people is scriptural, however.

The bottom line is that homosexual behavior is sexually addictive immoral behavior, and as such, has serious negative consequences to those who engage in it and eventually societies that encourage it.

A great many myths have been perpetuated by the media including that once a person engages in homosexual behaviors they can never become a hetrosexual (a complete lie as many studies have shown); that people are born gay and can never stop themselves from engaging in homosexual behavior (this is not what science says); etc…

At the least, the truth should have been respected.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/homosexuality_articles.html

Sure I would do business with people that engage in sexual immorality. I sell a product or service and they pay for it. Of course. But I will oppose them politically even as I pray for them personally.

The gay-bashing bigots should take their Kill-the-Jews-Because-They-Killed-Jesus, Gay-Bashing Bible, chop it up into shreds, stuff the shreds down their throats and then choke to death.

You should tell your homo-hot-and-bothered pastor to get a fucking life.

Eat shit and die, you ignorant redneck.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.  You need to go study some more history of the oppression of gay human beings.  Fuck you this isn’t a victim competition it’s about justice for LGBT human beings.  Stick it you fucking asshole.  Again . . not a victim competition . . . it’s about justice for LGBTers (many of whom are blacks oppressed by asshole gay bashing homo-hot-and-bothered jerks like you).

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.  You need to go study some more history of the oppression of gay human beings.  Fuck you this isn’t a victim competition it’s about justice for LGBT human beings.  Stick it you fucking asshole.  Again . . not a victim competition . . . it’s about justice for LGBTers (many of whom are blacks oppressed by asshole gay bashing homo-hot-and-bothered jerks like you).

Stop cramming your bigot’s lifestyle down innocent gay human beings’ throats.

It would be so sad if the smug gay-bashers who refused service to gay human beings were to get flattened by a Mack Truck.  I repeat; if I saw hateful rednecked bigots get flattened by a Mack Truck, I would be extremely sad, with crocodile tears running down my cheeks.