Comments on: When the music stops http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops Engaging the culture by challenging the status quo Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Give it a rest http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops/comment-page-1#comment-5860 Give it a rest Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:58:54 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2008/02/12/when-the-music-stops/#comment-5860 I was born in 1969 so the why I see it the governement has been actively but unsuccessfully fighting the war on poverty my entire life. But guess what? There are still poor folks all over the place! The only people who appear to have benefitted from this "poverty war" are all of the folks that now work within this ovegrown social services network that the war on poverty has created. So today we have numerous black folks spending a great deal of money (most loans and government grants) to get an advanced education so they can provide social services to poor folks yet these people all continue to be poor! Somehow the majority of the "providers" are unable to identify that them themselves are actually drinking from the same Welfare cup as the people they service. Both parties get a government check that is derived from government transfer payments that all come from our taxes. Sick, isnt it! I used to work as a contractor for a city "social service" agency. The office was located in a part of town were the only people actually generating income inthe community were the merchants (all immigrants) Just about every black person I could identify that was making an income in excess of $35,000 was working for the state or federal government. Sometimes when we get to wondering as to why we have messed up streets and schools in our communities we need to think about were our tax money actually goes. Somehow we do not have money to pay a blackman to fix our communties but we seem to be able to find all the money necessary to give out welfare checks and pay for stupid "how to raise a baby" classes for irresponsible teenage girls and the "feel good" adults that teach this crap! I was born in 1969 so the why I see it the governement has been actively but unsuccessfully fighting the war on poverty my entire life. But guess what? There are still poor folks all over the place! The only people who appear to have benefitted from this “poverty war” are all of the folks that now work within this ovegrown social services network that the war on poverty has created.

So today we have numerous black folks spending a great deal of money (most loans and government grants) to get an advanced education so they can provide social services to poor folks yet these people all continue to be poor!

Somehow the majority of the “providers” are unable to identify that them themselves are actually drinking from the same Welfare cup as the people they service. Both parties get a government check that is derived from government transfer payments that all come from our taxes. Sick, isnt it!

I used to work as a contractor for a city “social service” agency. The office was located in a part of town were the only people actually generating income inthe community were the merchants (all immigrants) Just about every black person I could identify that was making an income in excess of $35,000 was working for the state or federal government.

Sometimes when we get to wondering as to why we have messed up streets and schools in our communities we need to think about were our tax money actually goes.

Somehow we do not have money to pay a blackman to fix our communties but we seem to be able to find all the money necessary to give out welfare checks and pay for stupid “how to raise a baby” classes for irresponsible teenage girls and the “feel good” adults that teach this crap!

]]> By: Wizz http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops/comment-page-1#comment-5859 Wizz Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:21:18 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2008/02/12/when-the-music-stops/#comment-5859 Duane, I wasn't making any commentary about the war on Poverty.. If I were to do so I would say it is B.S. There is no war on poverty and never has been.. It is a slogan... Kinda like War on Terrorism (which is a tactic not a country or group of people). Also the 2008 budget that is shown at the site I linked does include war costs. But this is VERY SMALL part of the total defense budget.. If you look at the other graghps (follow the "additional charts" link) you will see plenty of other graphs from previous years that do not include the war. The differerence is about 4-5%... Does it makes you feel better to say that defense spending is 54% of all descretionary spending vs 59%? Also you question the sites data. This is not the only site that I saw with this data on it. It was just the cleanest and most professional one. And if you follow the additional charts link you will see much more data. The data is straight from official sources as far as I can tell. If you see any descrpencies then so be it. Please point them out. I didn't go there looking for body count numbers or anything like that. Nor did I see any when I went there after reading your comment. Purple A. Who cares what the percentage of the GDP it is?? Wasted money is wasted money. $400 billion dollars a year is $400 billion dollars... I don't care if it is .00000001% of the GDP. What percentage of te GDP is any of the social programs you want to do away with? I am a hell of lot more likely to die from cancer than a terrorist attack or a nuclear attack on Chicago... So if you "conservatives" want to protect me from something so bad, then please protect me from that. Duane,

I wasn’t making any commentary about the war on Poverty.. If I were to do so I would say it is B.S. There is no war on poverty and never has been.. It is a slogan… Kinda like War on Terrorism (which is a tactic not a country or group of people).

Also the 2008 budget that is shown at the site I linked does include war costs. But this is VERY SMALL part of the total defense budget.. If you look at the other graghps (follow the “additional charts” link) you will see plenty of other graphs from previous years that do not include the war. The differerence is about 4-5%… Does it makes you feel better to say that defense spending is 54% of all descretionary spending vs 59%?

Also you question the sites data. This is not the only site that I saw with this data on it. It was just the cleanest and most professional one. And if you follow the additional charts link you will see much more data. The data is straight from official sources as far as I can tell. If you see any descrpencies then so be it. Please point them out. I didn’t go there looking for body count numbers or anything like that. Nor did I see any when I went there after reading your comment.

Purple A.

Who cares what the percentage of the GDP it is?? Wasted money is wasted money. $400 billion dollars a year is $400 billion dollars… I don’t care if it is .00000001% of the GDP. What percentage of te GDP is any of the social programs you want to do away with?

I am a hell of lot more likely to die from cancer than a terrorist attack or a nuclear attack on Chicago… So if you “conservatives” want to protect me from something so bad, then please protect me from that.

]]> By: Purple Avenger http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops/comment-page-1#comment-5858 Purple Avenger Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:27:24 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2008/02/12/when-the-music-stops/#comment-5858 <em>Have you seen the defense budget of this country??? It is freaking outrageous.</em> As a percentage of GDP, its what? Compared to say the WWII, Vietnam or Korean war eras. Educate me. Have you seen the defense budget of this country??? It is freaking outrageous.

As a percentage of GDP, its what? Compared to say the WWII, Vietnam or Korean war eras. Educate me.

]]> By: Duane http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops/comment-page-1#comment-5857 Duane Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:32:00 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2008/02/12/when-the-music-stops/#comment-5857 I find it very interesting that you would refer to a site that uses a <strong>WARTIME</strong> budget to prove how the US has 'left behind' the poor. If you want to really want to get an idea of just how much the US has spent on fighting poverty, start from the Johnson administration. The numbers I keep finding on multiple sites range from 5-8 trillion dollars. Of course, this is a drop in the bucket compared to what the private sector has contributed over the years. Yet despite all of this generosity, we sit here in 2008 still whining about poverty. If those who regularly fall back on the tired <em>"We need to cut funding to Iraq and channel it to help fight poverty"</em> line are so fiscally conservative all of a sudden, why is there little talk from them about cutting programs that do not work? Answer: Because cutting a program--regardless if it works or not--could make one look too mean and insensitive. So you continue throwing money at the problem not necessarily to solve it, but to provide a limited self-esteem fix for the giver. Living out here in one of the richest states in the union, I have plenty of examples I could point to on this. BTW: <em>The site you mentioned also uses the website 'Iraq Body Count's' numbers to show just how many civilians have been killed in the war. The only problem with their numbers is that they are including the civilians killed by the terrorists and the terrorists themselves! Read who you wish, I just saying that I have to cross check some of the sites I read as well as folks have a tendency of doctoring facts based on what they want to believe.</em> I find it very interesting that you would refer to a site that uses a WARTIME budget to prove how the US has ‘left behind’ the poor. If you want to really want to get an idea of just how much the US has spent on fighting poverty, start from the Johnson administration. The numbers I keep finding on multiple sites range from 5-8 trillion dollars. Of course, this is a drop in the bucket compared to what the private sector has contributed over the years. Yet despite all of this generosity, we sit here in 2008 still whining about poverty. If those who regularly fall back on the tired “We need to cut funding to Iraq and channel it to help fight poverty” line are so fiscally conservative all of a sudden, why is there little talk from them about cutting programs that do not work? Answer: Because cutting a program–regardless if it works or not–could make one look too mean and insensitive. So you continue throwing money at the problem not necessarily to solve it, but to provide a limited self-esteem fix for the giver. Living out here in one of the richest states in the union, I have plenty of examples I could point to on this.

BTW: The site you mentioned also uses the website ‘Iraq Body Count’s’ numbers to show just how many civilians have been killed in the war. The only problem with their numbers is that they are including the civilians killed by the terrorists and the terrorists themselves! Read who you wish, I just saying that I have to cross check some of the sites I read as well as folks have a tendency of doctoring facts based on what they want to believe.

]]> By: Wizz http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/when-the-music-stops/comment-page-1#comment-5856 Wizz Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:53:26 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2008/02/12/when-the-music-stops/#comment-5856 If the majority of people of this country decides that we want to provide healthcare or anything else in this country we would be able to do it easily. That is why Obama is trying to build a "working" majority. I find it funny how when we need money for wars there is no problem, no complaints about where the money comes from. But as soon as we start talking about providing services to people all of sudden there is a cry about money. Where will the money come from? Have you seen the defense budget of this country??? It is freaking outrageous. Where are "conservatives" when it comes to that? We can take 1/20th of that budget and pay for everything you have stated here plus more. I can not explain it any better than this site: http://www.yorkgrassroots.org/usbudget101.html PLEASE watch the cartoon! It will answer every one of the typical questions I know you are about to ask. If the majority of people of this country decides that we want to provide healthcare or anything else in this country we would be able to do it easily. That is why Obama is trying to build a “working” majority. I find it funny how when we need money for wars there is no problem, no complaints about where the money comes from. But as soon as we start talking about providing services to people all of sudden there is a cry about money. Where will the money come from? Have you seen the defense budget of this country??? It is freaking outrageous. Where are “conservatives” when it comes to that? We can take 1/20th of that budget and pay for everything you have stated here plus more.

I can not explain it any better than this site:

http://www.yorkgrassroots.org/usbudget101.html

PLEASE watch the cartoon! It will answer every one of the typical questions I know you are about to ask.

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