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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/the-music-is-still-playing/comment-page-1#comment-5499</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Because you know I would give you a bunch of links saying the exact opposite. Like this one:&lt;/em&gt;



Now produce one that says Iran IS arming Iraqis then &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;try&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; to draw on a conclusion based on that instead of the tit-for-tat. I&#039;m not over there neither are you. All we can do here is make good guesses based on reports and commentaries that are oftentimes politically-driven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Because you know I would give you a bunch of links saying the exact opposite. Like this one:</em></p>
<p>Now produce one that says Iran IS arming Iraqis then <em><strong>try</strong></em> to draw on a conclusion based on that instead of the tit-for-tat. I&#8217;m not over there neither are you. All we can do here is make good guesses based on reports and commentaries that are oftentimes politically-driven.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizz</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/the-music-is-still-playing/comment-page-1#comment-5498</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Then why make an assumption that this report is some sort of silver bullet to Bush’s current policy over Iran by trumpeting its “thoroughness”?&lt;/em&gt;



Just because it has sections that I can&#039;t read does not mean it is not thorough.  It also does not mean that the conclusion that Iran is not actively developing nuclear weapons is incorrect.   They could have easily said the opposite just like they did in 2005 when they said they were SURE IRAN was working on Nukes.



&lt;em&gt;Actually the Nam I am referring to is the one where once the US pulled out, close to 2.3 million civilians were slaughtered&lt;/em&gt;



Then why are we doing business with these savages!..  We should still be bombing THEM too!



&lt;em&gt;I was going to give you a bunch of links on this one starting from your favorite news channel CNN.&lt;/em&gt;



Because you know I would give you a bunch of links saying the exact opposite.  Like this one:

Gen. Pace: No evidence Iran arming Iraqis - Conflict in Iraq ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17129144/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Then why make an assumption that this report is some sort of silver bullet to Bush’s current policy over Iran by trumpeting its “thoroughness”?</em></p>
<p>Just because it has sections that I can&#8217;t read does not mean it is not thorough.  It also does not mean that the conclusion that Iran is not actively developing nuclear weapons is incorrect.   They could have easily said the opposite just like they did in 2005 when they said they were SURE IRAN was working on Nukes.</p>
<p><em>Actually the Nam I am referring to is the one where once the US pulled out, close to 2.3 million civilians were slaughtered</em></p>
<p>Then why are we doing business with these savages!..  We should still be bombing THEM too!</p>
<p><em>I was going to give you a bunch of links on this one starting from your favorite news channel CNN.</em></p>
<p>Because you know I would give you a bunch of links saying the exact opposite.  Like this one:</p>
<p>Gen. Pace: No evidence Iran arming Iraqis &#8211; Conflict in Iraq &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17129144/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17129144/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/the-music-is-still-playing/comment-page-1#comment-5497</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If that section is classified then you will probably never know. That would not be released until MANY years later.&lt;/em&gt;



Then why make an assumption that this report is some sort of silver bullet to Bush&#039;s current policy over Iran by trumpeting its &quot;thoroughness&quot;?



&lt;em&gt;Really? You mean the Nam in which we have absolutely NO problems with? The Nam that is a trading partner of ours… THAT Nam? For some reason we don’t have a problem TALKING with them now.&lt;/em&gt;



Actually the Nam I am referring to is the one where once the US pulled out, close to 2.3 million civilians were slaughtered --&lt;strong&gt;more than the body count of civilians when we were there&lt;/strong&gt;.



&lt;em&gt;Evidence, Evidence, Evidence…. Where is it?&lt;/em&gt;



I was going to give you a bunch of links on this one starting from your favorite news channel CNN. Then I decided not to list them because bottom line, if you really wanted to know, you would not have asked the question in the first place and google&#039;d it instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If that section is classified then you will probably never know. That would not be released until MANY years later.</em></p>
<p>Then why make an assumption that this report is some sort of silver bullet to Bush&#8217;s current policy over Iran by trumpeting its &#8220;thoroughness&#8221;?</p>
<p><em>Really? You mean the Nam in which we have absolutely NO problems with? The Nam that is a trading partner of ours… THAT Nam? For some reason we don’t have a problem TALKING with them now.</em></p>
<p>Actually the Nam I am referring to is the one where once the US pulled out, close to 2.3 million civilians were slaughtered &#8211;<strong>more than the body count of civilians when we were there</strong>.</p>
<p><em>Evidence, Evidence, Evidence…. Where is it?</em></p>
<p>I was going to give you a bunch of links on this one starting from your favorite news channel CNN. Then I decided not to list them because bottom line, if you really wanted to know, you would not have asked the question in the first place and google&#8217;d it instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As to your assertion that I would have responded “differently” if the findings were reversed, I typically do not draw any solid conclusions until most, if not all the study/report is released to the general public.&lt;/em&gt;



If that section is classified then you will probably never know. That would not be released until MANY years later.



&lt;em&gt;An immediate withdrawal will be just as damaging as it was when they called for the same action in Nam.&lt;/em&gt;



Really?  You mean the Nam in which we have absolutely NO problems with?  The Nam that is a trading partner of ours...  THAT Nam?  For some reason we don&#039;t have a problem &lt;strong&gt;TALKING&lt;/strong&gt; with them now.



&lt;em&gt;For now, I would be more for getting into a fight with Iran over their goings on in Iraq than over their nuke program.&lt;/em&gt;



Evidence, Evidence, Evidence....  Where is it?  As a matter of fact most of the insurgents from outside of Iraq are coming from Saudi Arabia...  How about we start bombing them instead...  The fact that all the 9/11 hijackers were there too makes it an even better idea.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As to your assertion that I would have responded “differently” if the findings were reversed, I typically do not draw any solid conclusions until most, if not all the study/report is released to the general public.</em></p>
<p>If that section is classified then you will probably never know. That would not be released until MANY years later.</p>
<p><em>An immediate withdrawal will be just as damaging as it was when they called for the same action in Nam.</em></p>
<p>Really?  You mean the Nam in which we have absolutely NO problems with?  The Nam that is a trading partner of ours&#8230;  THAT Nam?  For some reason we don&#8217;t have a problem <strong>TALKING</strong> with them now.</p>
<p><em>For now, I would be more for getting into a fight with Iran over their goings on in Iraq than over their nuke program.</em></p>
<p>Evidence, Evidence, Evidence&#8230;.  Where is it?  As a matter of fact most of the insurgents from outside of Iraq are coming from Saudi Arabia&#8230;  How about we start bombing them instead&#8230;  The fact that all the 9/11 hijackers were there too makes it an even better idea.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m curious to know why you consider this a PARTIAL report? I don’t think you would be saying that if the findings were reversed.&lt;/em&gt;



What most Americans have been heard being echoed in the media is a &lt;em&gt;general&lt;/em&gt; conclusion of the study. It does not include some of the classified parts of the report that may include what these individuals in the article are suggesting (this was acknowledged by a Democratic congresswoman on the news [her name escapes me] who also echoed what the individuals in this article are saying) . As to your assertion that I would have responded &quot;differently&quot; if the findings were reversed, I typically do not draw any solid conclusions until most, if not all the study/report is released to the general public. I hope you do the same.



&lt;em&gt;And what exactly do you think we need to be doing against Iran? I hope you are not one of the “ATTACK NOW!” types…&lt;/em&gt;



Just as I hope you are not one of those &quot;Let&#039;s sit down at the table of brotherhood types&quot; &lt;strong&gt;all while&lt;/strong&gt; Iran has been sending foot soldiers and weapons into Iraq to kill innocent civilians and our troops. But based on your position with Obama whose  only recommendation so far with that fact in mind is &quot;talk to them&quot;, I have no doubts on that assertion on my part.



Our current fight in Iraq has already turned into a proxy war with Iran (I would also argue that we are also fighting Russia as well) and at some point it has to be dealt with. Should we start dropping bombs on Iran over their nuclear program? I personally do not think so. Should our ships be moved our of the Gulf? No, as long as they (Iran) continues to fight this proxy war in Iraq, the US should be prepared to escalate if Iran continues to make matters worse in Iraq.



The fact of the matter is, we are there NOW. An immediate withdrawal will be just as damaging as it was when they called for the same action in Nam. And just like our immediate withdrawal then and what happened afterwards, the Left will blame the whole thing on somebody else instead of taking any form of responsibility for &lt;strong&gt;THEIR&lt;/strong&gt; piece in the action.



My basic problem with this war is that it has been managed by beltway politics instead of letting the commanders and solders on the field do what they do best: Completely destroy the enemy instead of toying around with him like we did in Fallujah.



For now, I would be more for getting into a fight with Iran over their goings on in Iraq than over their nuke program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I’m curious to know why you consider this a PARTIAL report? I don’t think you would be saying that if the findings were reversed.</em></p>
<p>What most Americans have been heard being echoed in the media is a <em>general</em> conclusion of the study. It does not include some of the classified parts of the report that may include what these individuals in the article are suggesting (this was acknowledged by a Democratic congresswoman on the news [her name escapes me] who also echoed what the individuals in this article are saying) . As to your assertion that I would have responded &#8220;differently&#8221; if the findings were reversed, I typically do not draw any solid conclusions until most, if not all the study/report is released to the general public. I hope you do the same.</p>
<p><em>And what exactly do you think we need to be doing against Iran? I hope you are not one of the “ATTACK NOW!” types…</em></p>
<p>Just as I hope you are not one of those &#8220;Let&#8217;s sit down at the table of brotherhood types&#8221; <strong>all while</strong> Iran has been sending foot soldiers and weapons into Iraq to kill innocent civilians and our troops. But based on your position with Obama whose  only recommendation so far with that fact in mind is &#8220;talk to them&#8221;, I have no doubts on that assertion on my part.</p>
<p>Our current fight in Iraq has already turned into a proxy war with Iran (I would also argue that we are also fighting Russia as well) and at some point it has to be dealt with. Should we start dropping bombs on Iran over their nuclear program? I personally do not think so. Should our ships be moved our of the Gulf? No, as long as they (Iran) continues to fight this proxy war in Iraq, the US should be prepared to escalate if Iran continues to make matters worse in Iraq.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, we are there NOW. An immediate withdrawal will be just as damaging as it was when they called for the same action in Nam. And just like our immediate withdrawal then and what happened afterwards, the Left will blame the whole thing on somebody else instead of taking any form of responsibility for <strong>THEIR</strong> piece in the action.</p>
<p>My basic problem with this war is that it has been managed by beltway politics instead of letting the commanders and solders on the field do what they do best: Completely destroy the enemy instead of toying around with him like we did in Fallujah.</p>
<p>For now, I would be more for getting into a fight with Iran over their goings on in Iraq than over their nuke program.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious to know why you consider this a PARTIAL report?  I don&#039;t think you would be saying that if the findings were reversed.  From what I&#039;ve read this is the most thoroughly written/researched/reviewed NIE in recent memory because of the mistakes of the IRAQ NIE.  They changed and reinforced the entire process.  And this is the consensus of 16 different agencies...  So what is not right about it?



And what exactly do you think we need to be doing against Iran?  I hope you are not one of the &quot;ATTACK NOW!&quot; types...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious to know why you consider this a PARTIAL report?  I don&#8217;t think you would be saying that if the findings were reversed.  From what I&#8217;ve read this is the most thoroughly written/researched/reviewed NIE in recent memory because of the mistakes of the IRAQ NIE.  They changed and reinforced the entire process.  And this is the consensus of 16 different agencies&#8230;  So what is not right about it?</p>
<p>And what exactly do you think we need to be doing against Iran?  I hope you are not one of the &#8220;ATTACK NOW!&#8221; types&#8230;</p>
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