And let me guess, you keep coming back because you feel obligated to help people to see “the truth”…

for calling Duane out about his very very tortured logic and re-writing of history to fit his very partisan rightwing views

he no longer will engage in discourse with me, because I refuse to allow him to introduce tangential ‘facts’ which were nothing more than right wing guided talking points.

I am glad that someone else sees through his ‘pseudo-intellect’ as well.

And as you would be aware if you’d ever bothered to open a history book, the vast majority of deaths in Southeast Asia were a direct result of US interference

Bring the numbers (as I did)

Beyond that…

…he still addresses NOTHING I have said in this post ladies & gentlemen.

Either come correct or reinsert your pacifier, ’cause its all whining.

There’s nothing worth challenging because almost all your so-called facts and fanciful distortions can be disapproving by opening up any one of a hundred history books.

And as you would be aware if you’d ever bothered to open a history book, the vast majority of deaths in Southeast Asia were a direct result of US interference in a situation that at least four US administrations failed to grasp, just as you fail to grasp it today.

I guess that’s what it means to be an archaic conservative, the incessant need to repeat errors, in the vain hope that someday you’ll be able to recast those errors as part of some noble quest, that you alone are able to justify.

Only you and the Bush administration would attempt to cast the current Iraqi occupation as one of these noble quest to liberate an oppressed people. The people of Iraq are most definitely an oppressed people today, and we’re the ones doing the oppressing. But I’m sure in your mind the people of Iraq are free, perhaps you should go there and experience some of that freedom.

Thanks!

just the usual soufflé of right wing revisionist history crapola. And I was so hoping for buttered scones with my tea.

It must be nice to live within the constructs of your own mind, rather godlike being able to play out historical events to fit your personal concept of a symmetrical universe where everything makes sense… at least to you. Kind of like having a terrarium inside your head.

Duane talks about the antiwar movement as if it were some kind of shadowy cabal which influence the US government instead of a popular movement of the American people, American patriots.

He also uses the phrase “…a country that still did not see us as equal,” to dismiss institutionalized racism designed to keep the soul of an entire people locked in bondage, the kind of bondage that destroyed the spirit of untold individuals who were condemned to live out marginal half-lives as second-class citizens in a land where everything was possible for everyone……but them and other minorities. And to know that their children would be subjected the same kind of eviscerating apartheid throughout their lives as well.

Yes I think that’s a better description, and at least accurate.

I could go on down this road but y’all know where I stand on these exercises in hyper convulsive neoconservative mutual masturbation

After our last 60+ comment exchange, I do not have the time to be lectured by someone who, while accusing me of being partisan, will immediately shoot down any other point of view without challenging it factually–the epitome of one that is truly partisan.

I seriously wonder if you…are you able to perform an analyis and use any critical thinking skills without framing them as some sort of left or right issue.

How you base your argument on the specious premise that every principled stand has something to do with this presidency is beyond me, especially when this administration has repeatedly shown it has no principles or values when it comes to being American or standing up for human values.

I am beginning to think that all you do is listen to talk radio and spew whatever shallow, insipid and just plain ignorant talking point you hear.

Can you think at all on your own, in terms of history and what happened.

If so, I have just one question for you…who was it that fought the Civil War in America? Did some foreign country come here and occupy America under the auspices of “freeing the slaves” or ‘importing democracy” or was it CITIZENS of America that fought for the principles of freedom and democracy?

In short, there is no way you can define this issue in left or right terms that will make the war ‘just’.

Americans founght the Revolutionary War and they fought the Civil War…not some foreign occupying military force.

Let me pose this scenerio to you: You have a young daughter who you adore very deeply. Early one morning you are awakened by muffled screams coming out from her room. You open the door to find that she is being raped by some stranger.

Is there a non-violent way for you to resolve this issue?

(I admit this may be an extreme example, but it does happen quite frequently)

Today’s civil rights movement is a caricature of itself. While King and his crew were middle class at best as professional pastors, most of the leaders today are affluent if not flat out wealthy. This is not a crime within itself, but it goes to address the perks that come with being the gate keeper to a people. This wealth is a result of being a rewarded political strategist of the Democratic Party. Even if the party is not writing the check, the influence of the association of the two is comparable to tangible currency. With that being said, the current task of the civil rights movement is to have Blacks voting for Democrats FIRST and FOREMOST. For example, when Joseph Lowry puts on a thousand dollar suit, climbs in and out of his limo and lectures the president in 3rd person (at a funeral no less) about his mistreatment of the poor, and yet ignores or is too lazy to pull a copy of the federal budget to see spending for the poor and education have both increased 40% in the last 5 years over that of his worshipped predecessor, you know the fix was in a long time ago. That funeral was not a referendum on the struggles of the poor and marginalized. It was an opportunity to humiliate the current president, while introducing the next “Black president” of the “American Negro community”. The mission statement of “Encouraging the government to address the needs of the Black community” is disingenuous considering the outright hostility of the movement (at the behest of the Democratic Party) at the most fiscally liberal president since FDR. Bush’s social policies are a mixture of Regan’s budget deficit spending and FDR’s socially conscienced fiscal principles. So in essence, the leaders are saying, “You can’t buy us” and “Your policies are hostile to us”, out of both sides of their symmetrically designed mouths.

With that being said, the Black community, under the influence of said Democratically influenced Black leadership, does not stand a chance in truly assessing any position of significance, or insignificance for that matter objectively. Case in point, I listened to my Ivy Leagued masters degreed level uncle, who is the great-grandchild of slaves, lament about global warming and Bush’s malfeasance/stupidity to address the issue……..while sitting in his 300K beachfront house with added solarium and Jacuzzi, and the Lincoln suv in the garage. So, we went from slavery (Who really experienced global warming in the hot sun 13 hours a day, without the expense of AC) to being concerned about (liberals – running – around – screaming – “the sky is falling”) global warming. Kind of like the line of deductive reasoning of “ Republicans are repulsive, so I have to be a liberal and champion every counter productive liberal policy in creation, and even deny every Republican initiated issues that address the core concerns of the fiscal provisions for the poor”. Like I said, no objectivity on the issues.