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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5027</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s define &lt;strong&gt;disinformation&lt;/strong&gt;, shall we?



&lt;blockquote&gt;As I disagree with Duaneâ€™s initial suggestion; that if Blacks knew there were two nooses instead of three, or that Mychal Bell had a history of deliquency, and so forth, they would not have been so moved to protest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



That is the part you wanted to hear. Now for what I actually said--



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...however much of the protest was based on a very narrow view of events. &lt;strong&gt;Take out the nooses, take out the fact that it was only an all-White jury because Blacks refused to show up, add the fact that those White boys were disciplined for more than 3 days&lt;/strong&gt; and I can assure you that you would have seen minimum response to this issue.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Blacks would have still responded the way they did regardless of the amount of nooses or if Bell had a past history of crime (you can look at the acquittal rates in mostly Black areas to prove  the latter). What prompted the response was the other racial ingredients that I mentioned (I should also add the other drama flashpoint was the fact that this took place in a southern town who voted strongly for David Duke). Take ALL of those other factors away and Bell would have been just another poor Black soul lost in the system. Racism sold this story.



Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.innocenceproject.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Innocence Project&lt;/a&gt; for cases of folks who were also given overreaching sentences with questionable evidence. Unfortunately in many cases they did not have the backdrop of an old southern town, nooses, or sheetless klan members to push their story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s define <strong>disinformation</strong>, shall we?</p>
<blockquote><p>As I disagree with Duaneâ€™s initial suggestion; that if Blacks knew there were two nooses instead of three, or that Mychal Bell had a history of deliquency, and so forth, they would not have been so moved to protest.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is the part you wanted to hear. Now for what I actually said&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;however much of the protest was based on a very narrow view of events. <strong>Take out the nooses, take out the fact that it was only an all-White jury because Blacks refused to show up, add the fact that those White boys were disciplined for more than 3 days</strong> and I can assure you that you would have seen minimum response to this issue.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Blacks would have still responded the way they did regardless of the amount of nooses or if Bell had a past history of crime (you can look at the acquittal rates in mostly Black areas to prove  the latter). What prompted the response was the other racial ingredients that I mentioned (I should also add the other drama flashpoint was the fact that this took place in a southern town who voted strongly for David Duke). Take ALL of those other factors away and Bell would have been just another poor Black soul lost in the system. Racism sold this story.</p>
<p>Check out the <a href="http://www.innocenceproject.org/" rel="nofollow">Innocence Project</a> for cases of folks who were also given overreaching sentences with questionable evidence. Unfortunately in many cases they did not have the backdrop of an old southern town, nooses, or sheetless klan members to push their story.</p>
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		<title>By: MIB</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5026</link>
		<dc:creator>MIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The media&#039;s distorto-coverage is fast becoming &#039;the story&#039;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



I disagree.  As I disagree with Duane&#039;s initial suggestion; that if Blacks knew there were two nooses instead of three, or that Mychal Bell had a history of deliquency, and so forth, they would not have been so moved to protest.  Both the AP article cited by Duane and Jason Whitlock&#039;s op-ed piece are classic examples of &lt;b&gt;disinformation&lt;/b&gt; -- information provided with the effect of minimizing or distracting attention away from a central issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The media&#8217;s distorto-coverage is fast becoming &#8216;the story&#8217;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  As I disagree with Duane&#8217;s initial suggestion; that if Blacks knew there were two nooses instead of three, or that Mychal Bell had a history of deliquency, and so forth, they would not have been so moved to protest.  Both the AP article cited by Duane and Jason Whitlock&#8217;s op-ed piece are classic examples of <b>disinformation</b> &#8212; information provided with the effect of minimizing or distracting attention away from a central issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Purple Avenger</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5025</link>
		<dc:creator>Purple Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If six teenage men beat your son unconscious would you not expect the DA to presue the maxium punishment against them?&lt;/em&gt;



Hint: The beating isn&#039;t &quot;the story&quot; here anymore. The media&#039;s distorto-coverage is fast becoming &quot;the story&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If six teenage men beat your son unconscious would you not expect the DA to presue the maxium punishment against them?</em></p>
<p>Hint: The beating isn&#8217;t &#8220;the story&#8221; here anymore. The media&#8217;s distorto-coverage is fast becoming &#8220;the story&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Give it a rest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Give it a rest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again with this silly nonsense.



Question:



If six teenage men beat your son unconscious would you not expect the DA to presue the maxium punishment against them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again with this silly nonsense.</p>
<p>Question:</p>
<p>If six teenage men beat your son unconscious would you not expect the DA to presue the maxium punishment against them?</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Switching a little bit here and sorta piggy-backing off of PA&#039;s comment, notice how MSM is rushing into the O.J. situation? I&#039;ve even heard some folks try to induce racism in the mix. They even brought back Marcia Clarke as a commentator--seriously!



I don&#039;t think we realize just how much money is at stake and the pressure to produce a good story that has the legs to carry itself.



Wizz (unrelated),



I&#039;m still trying to get the the bottom of the comment feature for this site. Another thing that I have discovered is that if you do a long comment there is something that causes a timeout--resulting in the error you told me (I get it too!). I&#039;m working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switching a little bit here and sorta piggy-backing off of PA&#8217;s comment, notice how MSM is rushing into the O.J. situation? I&#8217;ve even heard some folks try to induce racism in the mix. They even brought back Marcia Clarke as a commentator&#8211;seriously!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we realize just how much money is at stake and the pressure to produce a good story that has the legs to carry itself.</p>
<p>Wizz (unrelated),</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to get the the bottom of the comment feature for this site. Another thing that I have discovered is that if you do a long comment there is something that causes a timeout&#8211;resulting in the error you told me (I get it too!). I&#8217;m working on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizz</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5022</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fact that I didn&#039;t know until CNN reported it was that the ONLY student to testify against Bell was one of the students that hung the nooses.  I thought that was kinda interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fact that I didn&#8217;t know until CNN reported it was that the ONLY student to testify against Bell was one of the students that hung the nooses.  I thought that was kinda interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Purple Avenger</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5021</link>
		<dc:creator>Purple Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;However there is something deeply wrong when key information is being purposely left out of the discussion.&lt;/em&gt;



The media no longer reports in the traditional sense. They are actively trying to shape opinion and many of them view this as a feature rather than a bug.  My local paper, the Palm Beach Post, is a gross offender in this regard.



Selectively told fact can be a bigger lie than something cut from whole cloth.



It goes back to the j-schools and who they&#039;re attracting and graduating.  Too many people get into that business because they want to be advocates and change the world rather than chroniclers and wordsmiths.



The public has not been oblivious to this (not always so) subtle shift in media practice with trust in the media steadily declining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>However there is something deeply wrong when key information is being purposely left out of the discussion.</em></p>
<p>The media no longer reports in the traditional sense. They are actively trying to shape opinion and many of them view this as a feature rather than a bug.  My local paper, the Palm Beach Post, is a gross offender in this regard.</p>
<p>Selectively told fact can be a bigger lie than something cut from whole cloth.</p>
<p>It goes back to the j-schools and who they&#8217;re attracting and graduating.  Too many people get into that business because they want to be advocates and change the world rather than chroniclers and wordsmiths.</p>
<p>The public has not been oblivious to this (not always so) subtle shift in media practice with trust in the media steadily declining.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read portions of the article off MSN.  I took the position that more information was needed.  And was comfortable with the original charge...If Barker was unconscious...and they were still beating him..Then what were they trying to do?  revive him by beating?



JC/Riverside</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read portions of the article off MSN.  I took the position that more information was needed.  And was comfortable with the original charge&#8230;If Barker was unconscious&#8230;and they were still beating him..Then what were they trying to do?  revive him by beating?</p>
<p>JC/Riverside</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/is-this-the-part-where-everything-goes-silent/comment-page-1#comment-5019</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The AP article doesnâ€™t mitigate the core dilemma of the Jena 6 trial.&lt;/em&gt;



You are right, it doesn&#039;t. However there is something deeply wrong when  key information is being purposely left out of the discussion by those who could tell you what went down in their sleep. Even Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune (who is being credited for bringing this case into &#039;the open&#039;) did not include any of this information in is &#039;detailed&#039; reporting of the case. IMO, the actions of Black folks who went down there are justified, however much of the protest was based on a very narrow view of events. Take out the nooses, take out the fact that it was only an all-White jury because Blacks refused to show up, add the fact that those White boys were disciplined for more than 3 days and I can assure you that you would have seen minimum response to this issue. There are other folks besides Bell in our criminal justice system who have also been given excessive sentences with no &quot;fight the power&quot; outrage to help them. What helped &quot;the six&quot; was all the other ingredients that smelled of racism.



&lt;em&gt;I donâ€™t hear many people proclaiming the 6 teensâ€™ innocence.&lt;/em&gt;



But I do hear many people suggesting that ALL charges should be dropped--including Mychal Bell&#039;s sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The AP article doesnâ€™t mitigate the core dilemma of the Jena 6 trial.</em></p>
<p>You are right, it doesn&#8217;t. However there is something deeply wrong when  key information is being purposely left out of the discussion by those who could tell you what went down in their sleep. Even Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune (who is being credited for bringing this case into &#8216;the open&#8217;) did not include any of this information in is &#8216;detailed&#8217; reporting of the case. IMO, the actions of Black folks who went down there are justified, however much of the protest was based on a very narrow view of events. Take out the nooses, take out the fact that it was only an all-White jury because Blacks refused to show up, add the fact that those White boys were disciplined for more than 3 days and I can assure you that you would have seen minimum response to this issue. There are other folks besides Bell in our criminal justice system who have also been given excessive sentences with no &#8220;fight the power&#8221; outrage to help them. What helped &#8220;the six&#8221; was all the other ingredients that smelled of racism.</p>
<p><em>I donâ€™t hear many people proclaiming the 6 teensâ€™ innocence.</em></p>
<p>But I do hear many people suggesting that ALL charges should be dropped&#8211;including Mychal Bell&#8217;s sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Saudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually heard about this case some time ago on Real Time with Bill Maher.  What intrigues me most is that a school house fight is in the court system.  Clearly I am not that old (32 on the 28th) but when I was in school you got suspended for a fight.  I would be interested to know why the DA chose to persecute opps  I mean prosecute these young men.  Has the DA ever charged other children with attempted murder or aggravated assault for a school house fight?  At the end of the day we have got to take responsibility for our children.  You are sent to school for an education not for a free for all.  Hopefully, these young boys have learned a valuable lesson.  Freedom is very fleeting thing and must be protected at all cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually heard about this case some time ago on Real Time with Bill Maher.  What intrigues me most is that a school house fight is in the court system.  Clearly I am not that old (32 on the 28th) but when I was in school you got suspended for a fight.  I would be interested to know why the DA chose to persecute opps  I mean prosecute these young men.  Has the DA ever charged other children with attempted murder or aggravated assault for a school house fight?  At the end of the day we have got to take responsibility for our children.  You are sent to school for an education not for a free for all.  Hopefully, these young boys have learned a valuable lesson.  Freedom is very fleeting thing and must be protected at all cost.</p>
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		<title>By: MIB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AP article doesn&#039;t mitigate the core dilemma of the Jena 6 trial.

Whether or not people agree the beating of Justin Barker was the culmination of an escalating series of racial antagonisms doesn&#039;t (or shouldn&#039;t) impact the fact of the district attorney&#039;s over-prosecution.



I don&#039;t hear many people proclaiming the 6 teens&#039; innocence, but that the charges that were filed and potential sentences were excessive in consideration of the crime itself and its context.  IMO, the actions of the LaSalle Parish D.A. in his prosecution, and those of the various school officials involved with adjudicating the multiple events leading up to the Barker battery pretty much exemplify racism for the systemic double-standards afforded Blacks and Whites in Jena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AP article doesn&#8217;t mitigate the core dilemma of the Jena 6 trial.</p>
<p>Whether or not people agree the beating of Justin Barker was the culmination of an escalating series of racial antagonisms doesn&#8217;t (or shouldn&#8217;t) impact the fact of the district attorney&#8217;s over-prosecution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hear many people proclaiming the 6 teens&#8217; innocence, but that the charges that were filed and potential sentences were excessive in consideration of the crime itself and its context.  IMO, the actions of the LaSalle Parish D.A. in his prosecution, and those of the various school officials involved with adjudicating the multiple events leading up to the Barker battery pretty much exemplify racism for the systemic double-standards afforded Blacks and Whites in Jena.</p>
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