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	<title>Comments on: Do OUR Churches need a Malcolm X-type experience?</title>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing missing in much of this discussion is that the monotheistic traditions all have similarities. The differences have been exaggerated over the centuries. In Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet above Muhammad as he was &quot;nearest to God&quot; which is written in the Quran (Surat al-Maida, Verse 72). Our ignorance of Christ&#039;s true pre-eminence in the Muslim faith is due to the imams and mullahs preaching only hate and ignoring the surats which state Jesus as the highest of all prophets. I do not believe that Muhammad wanted people to worship him, only his revelation.



Similarly, as Christians and black people, we do not need to try and seek a new expression of our religion but to deepen our existing faith and learn more. Africans were certainly meant to be Christians. The oldest Christian churches are still found in Africa. The Copts were African Christians and they have lived for nearly 2000 years as such. Should they be denied? We need to learn our true history. It is restorative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing missing in much of this discussion is that the monotheistic traditions all have similarities. The differences have been exaggerated over the centuries. In Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet above Muhammad as he was &#8220;nearest to God&#8221; which is written in the Quran (Surat al-Maida, Verse 72). Our ignorance of Christ&#8217;s true pre-eminence in the Muslim faith is due to the imams and mullahs preaching only hate and ignoring the surats which state Jesus as the highest of all prophets. I do not believe that Muhammad wanted people to worship him, only his revelation.</p>
<p>Similarly, as Christians and black people, we do not need to try and seek a new expression of our religion but to deepen our existing faith and learn more. Africans were certainly meant to be Christians. The oldest Christian churches are still found in Africa. The Copts were African Christians and they have lived for nearly 2000 years as such. Should they be denied? We need to learn our true history. It is restorative.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;believe in integration, Duane, but the Bible teaches that we should not set a foreigner over us to rule(Deut. 17:15). That was the Law for the Jews.And we are not under the law .Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

One more time for the record the lord came for one thing and one thing only&quot;For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.&quot;Luke 19:10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;believe in integration, Duane, but the Bible teaches that we should not set a foreigner over us to rule(Deut. 17:15). That was the Law for the Jews.And we are not under the law .Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.</p>
<p>Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.</p>
<p>One more time for the record the lord came for one thing and one thing only&#8221;For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.&#8221;Luke 19:10</p>
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		<title>By: Les Lester</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in integration, Duane, but the Bible teaches that we should not set a foreigner over us to rule(Deut. 17:15). Someone of another race or ethnic group simply isn&#039;t going to look out for your interests, or understand them, like a bretheren will.



We really do have some house cleaning to take care of, first.  The scriptures teach that God will judge nations (that&#039;s from the word ethnos, not nation states as we know it).



Those resources we&#039;re seeding into another group could be just as well seeded in our own congregations. Not that the body of Christ shouldn&#039;t join together, though.



Jesus sent the Jewish disciples to the lost sheep of Israel first. In fact, he commanded them, &quot;Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans; Go rather to the lost sheep of... .Matt. 10:5



Here&#039;s a practical example: Isaiah 18:25 says, &quot;Blessed be Egypt my people...&quot; But if you listen to the average European preacher you would think that everything about Egypt is negative. GOD CALLS EGYPT HIS PEOPLE!



I have more to say on that, but it would tap into my book. But for the discerning, study the word Amen more deeply. In it is the answer to our religious connection with the Hebrews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in integration, Duane, but the Bible teaches that we should not set a foreigner over us to rule(Deut. 17:15). Someone of another race or ethnic group simply isn&#8217;t going to look out for your interests, or understand them, like a bretheren will.</p>
<p>We really do have some house cleaning to take care of, first.  The scriptures teach that God will judge nations (that&#8217;s from the word ethnos, not nation states as we know it).</p>
<p>Those resources we&#8217;re seeding into another group could be just as well seeded in our own congregations. Not that the body of Christ shouldn&#8217;t join together, though.</p>
<p>Jesus sent the Jewish disciples to the lost sheep of Israel first. In fact, he commanded them, &#8220;Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans; Go rather to the lost sheep of&#8230; .Matt. 10:5</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a practical example: Isaiah 18:25 says, &#8220;Blessed be Egypt my people&#8230;&#8221; But if you listen to the average European preacher you would think that everything about Egypt is negative. GOD CALLS EGYPT HIS PEOPLE!</p>
<p>I have more to say on that, but it would tap into my book. But for the discerning, study the word Amen more deeply. In it is the answer to our religious connection with the Hebrews.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2317</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene/all,



I will be doing a post on this whole issue in the near future. I think that this is an important move before this comment string goes into an unknown and uncontrollable direction. So I will be holding any additional comments for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene/all,</p>
<p>I will be doing a post on this whole issue in the near future. I think that this is an important move before this comment string goes into an unknown and uncontrollable direction. So I will be holding any additional comments for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2316</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most &quot;churchs are not Christain

2 Peter :1-3

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most &#8220;churchs are not Christain</p>
<p>2 Peter :1-3</p>
<p>But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.</p>
<p>2  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.</p>
<p>3  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crusades were not done by Christians but by Catholics and Cathlics are not Christains check you history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crusades were not done by Christians but by Catholics and Cathlics are not Christains check you history.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the crusades go, most Christians have been on record over and over and over and over again stating that it was wrong and have condemned such action. Guess what? Christianity has moved on. Islam on the other hand has not. Justifing a historical wrong with another one is a very bad move. As far as the other individuals go, once again, their actions not only do not reflect church policy, but have been condemned by many Christians.

Just so that I am clear, no I am not saying that ALL Muslims  are okay with terrorism. That would be a false statement. What I am saying is that in many (I mean MANY) pockets overseas, terrorising those that do not submit to Islam has become a form of policy.



&lt;blockquote&gt;We have some things such as drug addiction, low self esteem, lack of accountability to resolve before we can begin to co- worship on any large scale.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;strong&gt;Can you support that with scipture?&lt;/strong&gt; An arm cannot self heal. You need all the healing properties the body has to offer.



&lt;blockquote&gt;so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. (Romans 12:5)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



So do we just omit this scripture and others like it in the case of &quot;the black predicament?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the crusades go, most Christians have been on record over and over and over and over again stating that it was wrong and have condemned such action. Guess what? Christianity has moved on. Islam on the other hand has not. Justifing a historical wrong with another one is a very bad move. As far as the other individuals go, once again, their actions not only do not reflect church policy, but have been condemned by many Christians.</p>
<p>Just so that I am clear, no I am not saying that ALL Muslims  are okay with terrorism. That would be a false statement. What I am saying is that in many (I mean MANY) pockets overseas, terrorising those that do not submit to Islam has become a form of policy.</p>
<blockquote><p>We have some things such as drug addiction, low self esteem, lack of accountability to resolve before we can begin to co- worship on any large scale.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Can you support that with scipture?</strong> An arm cannot self heal. You need all the healing properties the body has to offer.</p>
<blockquote><p>so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. (Romans 12:5)</p></blockquote>
<p>So do we just omit this scripture and others like it in the case of &#8220;the black predicament?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Saudia</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Saudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58 people killed in Nigeria. Are you serious?  What about the tens of millions that have been killed in the name of Christianity?  What about the crusades?  What about the David Koreshs , Randy Weavers and Timothy McVeighs?  While 58 deaths are clearly too many to die for any reason it is a drop in the bucket for the lives that have been taken.  But to your point of Ã¢â‚¬Å“Do we need a Malcolm X type of experience?Ã¢â‚¬Â Absolutely not. (not right now that is)  We as blacks in America have some in house cleaning that needs to be done.  We have some things such as drug addiction, low self esteem, lack of accountability to resolve before we can begin to co- worship on any large scale.  We must first learn to worship and follow GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s word and moreover find the God of our people.  We must find a way to rekindle the pain and passion that brought us to Spirituality in the 1st place.  Our churches must learn to accept each of us at the place we are upon entering the doors.  Our Churches must begin to use the monies collected for more than the pastorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s anniversary.  They must educate our children, feed our hungry, cloth our naked, etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦  Until these things are addressed we have no business co Ã¢â‚¬â€œworshipping with anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>58 people killed in Nigeria. Are you serious?  What about the tens of millions that have been killed in the name of Christianity?  What about the crusades?  What about the David Koreshs , Randy Weavers and Timothy McVeighs?  While 58 deaths are clearly too many to die for any reason it is a drop in the bucket for the lives that have been taken.  But to your point of Ã¢â‚¬Å“Do we need a Malcolm X type of experience?Ã¢â‚¬Â Absolutely not. (not right now that is)  We as blacks in America have some in house cleaning that needs to be done.  We have some things such as drug addiction, low self esteem, lack of accountability to resolve before we can begin to co- worship on any large scale.  We must first learn to worship and follow GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s word and moreover find the God of our people.  We must find a way to rekindle the pain and passion that brought us to Spirituality in the 1st place.  Our churches must learn to accept each of us at the place we are upon entering the doors.  Our Churches must begin to use the monies collected for more than the pastorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s anniversary.  They must educate our children, feed our hungry, cloth our naked, etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦  Until these things are addressed we have no business co Ã¢â‚¬â€œworshipping with anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Brethren, my heart&#039;s desire and prayer to God for Israel(black America) is, that they might be saved.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God&#039;s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.&quot;



King James version Romans 10:1-2



PaulÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s people the Jews were ruled by the Romans, justice and equality were not more important then there relationship with God to him. He gave is hole life for the cause Christ.



What we need more than justice and equality is to know Jesus as lord and savor.

Justice and equality is a good thing and we should work hard to make it happen.

But all the money and freedom in world dose not mean any thing in eternity.







&quot;For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?&quot;

King James version Matthew 16:26</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Brethren, my heart&#8217;s desire and prayer to God for Israel(black America) is, that they might be saved.</p>
<p>For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.</p>
<p>For they being ignorant of God&#8217;s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>King James version Romans 10:1-2</p>
<p>PaulÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s people the Jews were ruled by the Romans, justice and equality were not more important then there relationship with God to him. He gave is hole life for the cause Christ.</p>
<p>What we need more than justice and equality is to know Jesus as lord and savor.</p>
<p>Justice and equality is a good thing and we should work hard to make it happen.</p>
<p>But all the money and freedom in world dose not mean any thing in eternity.</p>
<p>&#8220;For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?&#8221;</p>
<p>King James version Matthew 16:26</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a spirtual connection to religion that all other races have that  we don&#039;t have and religion is said to have started with us and was copied into greek mythology. Those were our original stories just changed and misconstrued to a point where we don&#039;t even know those stories anymore. The stories of the sacred sun/son Horus/Jesus and so on. So in a nutshell we end up studying and dedicating our lives and spirits to myths without a true link to our religion as the Buddhist, The Jews etc. have. These people are so powerful within because they have that physical blood link that we don&#039;t have to their religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a spirtual connection to religion that all other races have that  we don&#8217;t have and religion is said to have started with us and was copied into greek mythology. Those were our original stories just changed and misconstrued to a point where we don&#8217;t even know those stories anymore. The stories of the sacred sun/son Horus/Jesus and so on. So in a nutshell we end up studying and dedicating our lives and spirits to myths without a true link to our religion as the Buddhist, The Jews etc. have. These people are so powerful within because they have that physical blood link that we don&#8217;t have to their religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All we are in religion are cheap converts. It doesn&#039;t identify with our origins. Your religion should be rooted in your original culture. With that in mind what is our original culture its not slavery and its not christianity. We were closer to muslims but I think the scope of religion is dimming peoples ability to do for themselves. Also whites have a different feeling when dealing with the images of christianity, they feel a blood link from all the different depictions of god in their image and likeness. We are the only race of people who are sort of piggy backing everyones religion which is rooted in their race therefore their culture. we have become a people dependent on others for even our spiritual practices. If you look into all our great leaders they spoke outside of religous forum to a truth that is for all humanity. When will we take the mental, therefore spiritual chains off and be liberated to be one with God as &quot;Jesus&quot; (and I do mean quote) taught. We use all the middleman type things to get us to God and no one seems to realize that it was something within us all that Jesus saw. I think religion is not relevant to today and should be viewed in a historical context not one of self guidance for todays world or else we will continue to be led and misled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we are in religion are cheap converts. It doesn&#8217;t identify with our origins. Your religion should be rooted in your original culture. With that in mind what is our original culture its not slavery and its not christianity. We were closer to muslims but I think the scope of religion is dimming peoples ability to do for themselves. Also whites have a different feeling when dealing with the images of christianity, they feel a blood link from all the different depictions of god in their image and likeness. We are the only race of people who are sort of piggy backing everyones religion which is rooted in their race therefore their culture. we have become a people dependent on others for even our spiritual practices. If you look into all our great leaders they spoke outside of religous forum to a truth that is for all humanity. When will we take the mental, therefore spiritual chains off and be liberated to be one with God as &#8220;Jesus&#8221; (and I do mean quote) taught. We use all the middleman type things to get us to God and no one seems to realize that it was something within us all that Jesus saw. I think religion is not relevant to today and should be viewed in a historical context not one of self guidance for todays world or else we will continue to be led and misled.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Lester</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/do-our-churches-need-a-malcolm-x-type-experience/comment-page-1#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duane, when Malcolm said &quot;by any means necessary,&quot; I believe he meant by &quot;any means necessary.&quot; (For the liberation of African Americans).



Too many of our people really don&#039;t espouse that mantra, however. (I&#039;ll get to the multiracial churches in a moment.) They have a preconceived idea about how the liberation movement is supposed to take place. Like the Jews who thought Jesus would appear on a stallion as a great liberator, against the Romans.  Instead, he came as a messiah of peace, teaching spiritual liberation which would inherently manifest in physical liberation.



Like the Jews of old, we&#039;re focused, as a culture, on a myriad of avenues, purportedly, to advance liberation.  But a spiritual changing of the heart is what is necessary.



Now, the crux to your post; Blacks attended White-run churches from this country&#039;s inception. But we left to start our own because of institutional racism, in America.



My church, here in Minnesota, is quite integrated, but yes in most of the South and the rust-belt states, segregated churches prevail.



Meanwhile, in order for us to join together nationally with Whites, in the church, we&#039;ll have to like Jeremiah 1:10 ... uproot and tear down,&quot; in order &quot;to build and to plant.&quot;



Study the Word Amen -- and where it really derives from, and you&#039;ll understand the solution to the Judeo-Christian-Muslim triad -- and American racism.    Hotep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane, when Malcolm said &#8220;by any means necessary,&#8221; I believe he meant by &#8220;any means necessary.&#8221; (For the liberation of African Americans).</p>
<p>Too many of our people really don&#8217;t espouse that mantra, however. (I&#8217;ll get to the multiracial churches in a moment.) They have a preconceived idea about how the liberation movement is supposed to take place. Like the Jews who thought Jesus would appear on a stallion as a great liberator, against the Romans.  Instead, he came as a messiah of peace, teaching spiritual liberation which would inherently manifest in physical liberation.</p>
<p>Like the Jews of old, we&#8217;re focused, as a culture, on a myriad of avenues, purportedly, to advance liberation.  But a spiritual changing of the heart is what is necessary.</p>
<p>Now, the crux to your post; Blacks attended White-run churches from this country&#8217;s inception. But we left to start our own because of institutional racism, in America.</p>
<p>My church, here in Minnesota, is quite integrated, but yes in most of the South and the rust-belt states, segregated churches prevail.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in order for us to join together nationally with Whites, in the church, we&#8217;ll have to like Jeremiah 1:10 &#8230; uproot and tear down,&#8221; in order &#8220;to build and to plant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Study the Word Amen &#8212; and where it really derives from, and you&#8217;ll understand the solution to the Judeo-Christian-Muslim triad &#8212; and American racism.    Hotep</p>
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