That is not what statistics tell us, that is those that have a career studying these things. Somewhere on this site I have a link to an old LA Times article that shows us that gang crime (gang and non-gang related) continued on its upward trend all throughout the 80′s and 90′s.

anyhow…what good are ‘actual court documents’ if the court system itself is corrupt? would you ask the lapd for the truth about the lapd? what i’m asking you is who protects us from cops, (and eventually the fbi)?

40 judges or a 1000 judges..again…doesn’t matter if the system is corrupt.

Sooo, was the system corrupt when it sentenced the murders of James Byrd to death? How about other racists that have been executed or are still on death row?

Final Call…hmmmm.

Is this not the same paper that is backed by the man who claimed the levees were blown up. And when asked for proof, he pointed to Nagin who in turn is in denial?

I’m pointing you to court documents and you are presenting this? Come on, dawg.

one of Tookies son’s is in jail..the other has a family and isn’t in a life of crime.

However, no one had to tell me gang violence took a serious dip after the truce…I saw it here first hand.

anyhow…what good are ‘actual court documents’ if the court system itself is corrupt? would you ask the lapd for the truth about the lapd? what i’m asking you is who protects us from cops, (and eventually the fbi)?

40 judges or a 1000 judges..again…doesn’t matter if the system is corrupt.

Gloria Killians case was reject time and time again…as was Geronimo Pratt’s…does that imply guilt?

from – http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2313.shtml

“Physical evidence such as fingerprints and a bloody boot-print could not be traced to Stanley Williams.

Only one shotgun shell was found at the motel. It ostensibly came from a shotgun purchased legally five years before by Mr. Williams, but the gun itself was actually found under the bed of informants James Garrett and his wife Ester. The Browning shotgun shell was sold at only two local stores, one of which, a Big Five, had been robbed of guns and ammunition by Mr. Garrett the year before.

The Garretts were both being investigated for the murder of their crime partner, Gregory Wilbon. This investigation was dropped, according to Atty. Wefald, after they testified that Mr. Williams “volunteered” a confession to them.

Deputy Gilbert Gwaltney perjured himself when he supported Mr. Garrett, by testifying that the informant had a sound alibi at the time his crime partner Wilbon was murdered. Mr. Wilbon’s body was so badly decomposed, Mr. Williams’ lawyers write, that it was impossible to establish a time of death and thus impossible to establish an alibi.

Another informant also claimed that Stanley Williams had “volunteered” a confession to him—but only after a police officer had left the police file on Mr. Williams overnight in the informant’s cell for him to read before he testified the next day, according to Atty. Wefald.

The prosecutor, who had already been censured twice by the California Supreme Court for discriminatory behavior, threw three Black people off the jury, leaving a majority-White jury with few or no Blacks (at least one juror’s racial identity is in dispute).

Atty. Wefald’s appeal was turned down by the California Supreme Court on Nov. 30 by a 4-2 vote. This is not uncommon, especially in cases that do not involve DNA evidence.

Every appeal to the California Supreme Court made by wrongfully convicted prisoner Gloria Killean was routinely denied for 16 years, until a federal court overturned her life sentence. And Thomas Goldstein filed repeated appeals to the court for 24 years before being exonerated by a federal court. ”

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he wasn’t just executed for murders. he was executed for starting a gang (which he had no idea would infect the rest of the nation).

“the greatest thing that troubled youth can learn from his death is that there is a such thing as CONSEQUENCE to poor choices.”

- partly, true…if they think he did it.

killling someone to show that killing is wrong only shows that it’s ok to kill.

Wow! Who told you that one? It actually went the other way. Just ask his son who is also in prison. So much for his children’s books?

but i can’t trust that he was arrested, tried or convicted fairly.

After having the luxury of having his case presented to roughly 40 different judges, when will you?

the informant admitted he lied…

Okay, now lets hear the rest of the story…

The Witnesses Against Stanley ‘Tookie’ Williams

From Charles Montaldo,Your Guide to Crime / Punishment.

Nov 29 2005

Statement ‘Factually Inaccurate,’ D.A. Says

The Los Angeles District Attorney’s office reputed the claim made by Stanley ‘Tookie’ Williams that all of the witnesses against him received freedom or vastly reduced sentences for their testimony:

Counsel for Williams claims in the “Petition for Executive Clemency” that: What the District Attorney may not acknowledge is the nature of the evidence against Stanley Williams, who has always asserted his innocence . . . the case rested on the testimony of claimed accomplices and admitted informants, including a notorious jailhouse informant, all of whom were facing substantial prison time and even death for various offenses, and all of whom received either freedom or vastly reduced sentences for their testimony. (Petition for Executive Clemency, Dated November 8, 2005, 9).

This statement is factually inaccurate. The People’s case rested on strong physical evidence, eyewitnesses, and a series of incriminating admissions made by Williams himself. ) (more…)

I would strongly encourage you to read the entire article as it lists what I believe to be reference numbers to the actual court documents.

Will crime continue even after Williams’ death? You bet. But the greatest thing that troubled youth can learn from his death is that there is a such thing as CONSEQUENCE to poor choices. All the children’s books in the world cannot erase that.

since the death penalty has been reinstated – murders have risen significantly. it doesn’t deter anything.

when Tookie facilitated a truce…gang violence dropped.

the ‘justice’ system is flawed..but their is no flaw in death because the end is always the same..people die and you can’t undo that.

why jump to the conclusion that he recieved a fair trial. lets say he was convicted of killing 20 people…what difference would that make if he didn’t actually do it? i know the crimes were gruesome…but i can’t trust that he was arrested, tried or convicted fairly.

conviction doesn’t mean guilt.

lapd in 1979…would you even want to get pulled over by them then…or now?

cointelpro

the informant admitted he lied

the forensics and ballistics indicate no residue on clothing

Mumia, Assatta, Fred Hampton, Geronimo Pratt

Tookie’s case is too similar to the aforementioned…its too bad he wasn’t a Panther. then again…he would have still been set up.

This would send a much stronger message than any of the books he wrote.

He had not redeemed himself in anyway.

Tookie was the last victim of Tookie Williams.

He was resposible for ending the lifes of others and he was also responsible for his own life being brought to an end.

It is a shame he had to die but it is a fate he could have avoided had he not taken the lifes of others.

http://www.lacountyda.org/pdf/swilliams.pdf