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Whose side is God on?

Here, I completely agree with your point that God is not a Democrat or a Republican. In fact, God is not American. The danger that I see in the conservative movement is that some of the Christians that are involved with it have merged their faith and political persuasion into one belief system. Isaiah 9:6 says “…and the government shall be upon His shoulders…” What this means is that God’s intent is that the foundation of all government should be Christ. So basically, Christ is foundation, not isolated to a political wing.

With that being said, black liberals/Democrats who profess to be Christians are just as guilty. In order for me to support this claim, I must present to you some factual history behind the liberal movement’s involvement with the black church.

For starters, liberalism is a watered-down version of socialism. This is not to say that liberals are socialist (nor am I calling you one) . Instead, if you were to look at the political spectrum with conservatives on one side and liberals on the other, any honest thinking person will see that liberalism favors socialism more than conservatism.

Without getting too technical, the main goal of socialism is to push for a society in which all people are “on the same level” (i.e. a class-less society) . With this class-less society, the citizens are to have “equal share” (for example: instead of government building, you would say “The People’s building” etc.). In theory, this sounds great.

What liberalism has been able to accomplish with the black church is to merge the socialist message that “all people are to be given equal share”with only part the gospel message of Jesus Christ that in essence says “God loves everybody”, and “Caring for the least among us“. One thing that the black church is known for is its inspirational messages and the powerful way they are presented. The “love” message of the Bible combined with this skill has proven to be an invaluable tool for the liberal movement.

In addition to serving as a place to gather votes, liberals have used the black church as a point of validation for their cause. People like Bill Clinton and Al Gore have known this truth for a long time. I would dare any liberal to say otherwise. They know themselves that the only way they can effectively communicate their message in a way that it reaches even the common man (because most politicians are rich) is through black folks. It makes me wonder why it took this long for Republicans to figure that out. Kerry kinda got the point as he endured several “we shall overcome” church services being flanked by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, but still appointed only a few blacks to his campaign staff. It also appeared that he would follow the footsteps of Clinton by appointing even fewer to his cabinet if he won.

During the various student movements that took place on the campus of UC Berkley in the 60′s, white liberal groups (whose message was getting lost due to all the other causes on campus) gravitated towards the Black Panther Party mainly because of their sense of structure and unique way of presenting their case. Nothing has changed over the years. To put it bluntly, liberalism would not be where it is today here in America had it not been for blacks and the black church.

Where I believe one of the first contacts between socialism and the black church took place was during the civil rights movement. It is widely known that as a young student, MLK became very interested in the works of socialists like Karl Marx and others. He even studied the Communist Manifesto and Capital (check out The Preacher King: Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Word That Moved America by Richard Lischer) Although he denounced the humanistic side of socialism, he embraced the economic side of it. MLK made the following statement to Coretta: “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic.” (Check out The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr., by Clayborne Carson). What MLK saw was a system in this country that mainly used economics to keep blacks on an unequal status. Like any other inquisitive human being, he was looking for a better solution. Now I must say that MLK is one of my all-time heroes. But like all heroes, they make mistakes. I believe that this was a major mistake on his part. There has never been a case in history since the birth of socialism where this ideology was only partially used. Sooner or later, the humanistic part will come into play. This is what we see today in modern liberalism here in America. A prime example of this can be seen with groups like the ACLU (who not only have been on the warpath to remove God from the public square, while at the same time.

is a firm partner of the NAACP).

Since the death of MLK, we have seen the liberal movement in the black community expand its support base to include abortion and gay rights. These two issues were not what thousands of blacks marched for on that faithful day. In fact, you will be very hard-pressed to find in any of MLK’s writings, or from any of his close associates that among the purposes of the movement that he help start was to include specifically abortion and homosexual rights. Today, we also find liberals attempting to put groups like NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) under the same banner that my people marched under. This is a total insult to all black people who had to endure slavery, Jim Crow, and bigotry. In other words, what the liberal movement is telling blacks is that the reason our ancestors endured through things like slavery is to blaze a trail for the rights of pro-abortionist and homosexuals. We might as well defecate on the graves on every slave that lived in this country.

Is God Pro Life or Pro Choice?

You asked the following question:

If someone can provide for me with scripture where God or Jesus teaches specifically about abortion, please forward the chapter and verse. I am not talking about an individual interpretation regarding the value of life. I am talking about scripture that addresses abortion specifically and uses the term “abortion.”

The short answer to this is obviously no; however, let me ask you these questions:

Does the Bible specifically mention or addresses speeding in a residential area? Does the Bible specifically mention that we are not to look at Penthouse magazine?

Again, the short answer of these questions is still no. Let me offer you the following passages for your consideration. Mind you, I pulled this excerpt by doing a quick 10 second search on Google.

When Eve conceived and bare Cain, she considered that conception to be of God (Genesis 4:1). All four sons that Leah bore were looked upon as gifts of God (Genesis 29:31-35). After Boaz married Ruth they entered into the marriage act, and the Scripture says, “The LORD gave her conception” (Ruth 4:13). David wrote by inspiration, “Thou has covered me in my mother’s womb” (Psalm 139:13). God said to Jeremiah, “Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5). The Apostle Paul wrote, “It pleased God, Who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by His grace” (Galatians 1:15). (full article)

If you are looking for a list of do’s and don’t in the Bible, then maybe Christianity may not be the thing for you. The very notion that there should be some type of list of do’s and don’ts would violate the whole concept of free will. The Bible does provide us with some general guidelines, but it stays intentionally away from the “thou shalt not eat fried chicken when you are on a diet” commands. At some point, spiritual maturity must kick in. If one truly has the Holy Spirit in their life, they would know those kind of details for their life. For example, it has been a traditional fact among Christians that we are not to drink alcohol; however, I am unable to find a specific verse that supports that. As far as I am concerned, alcohol does just as much damage to your body as soda. On the other hand, the Bible is very clear regarding lust. Pornography would definitely fall into this category. So for areas where the Bible doesn’t clearly specify what is a right or wrong action, many Christians rely on the Holy Spirit. This also applies to issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. The Bible is very clear on when conception takes place as well as the evilness of murdering children without actually mentioning the word “abortion”. The Bible is also very clear on men and women having homosexual relations with each other (without mentioning the words same-sex marriage) AS WELL as having sexual relations outside of marriage. Who brings interpretation to scriptures like these is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will never violate the gist of what scripture already tells us. Here is what the Bible has to say about the role of the Holy Spirit:

First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21

You may also want to check out the following site for more information WITH SCRIPTURES on this topic:

How are Believer’s “Guided into all truth”

You are absolutely correct. he does give us free will (Deut. 30:19, Joshua 24:15, Joshua 24:22, and many more references )HOWEVER, with every choice comes an end result. Scripture is filled with examples when someone chose unwisely, there was a negative result. David and Sampson are two people that come to mind.

Let me get a little more specific. The Bible along with history gives us endless examples of nations that have turned away from Him. Who, in essence chose a path that was not sanctioned by Him. [Please note: I do understand your point of being pro-choice, but anti-abortion; however the issue of personal versus national consequence does come into play with your logic. Please consider the following explanation.]

Just as there are consequences on an individual level when a person makes a bad choice (according to the Bible), likewise there are consequences on a national level when a nation endorses this type of behavior. So let’s say if we lived in a country that had a ban on pornography; however, being the resourceful person that I am (not to mention that I am married in this example) has possession of this material in my house. Statistics show that engaging in this type of activity will have a negative effect on not just me, but my relationship with my wife. Nevertheless, this problem (for the most part) would be isolated to my home. Now, let’s blow this example out a little bit, shall we? Today, we live in a country where pornography is a protected right. In essence this means that it is sanctioned by the nation. What we have now is easier access to pornography not to just adults, but teens and younger children. Statistics show us that when kids engage into this type of activity, one of the results is teen pregnancy. This same outbreak of teen pregnancy places a major strain on our tax dollars (national consequence) because now the nation is placed in the position to care for both mother and child. To play this scenario out even further, pornography has been found in many cases to be the major component in the lives of individuals who turn out to be rapists (another national consequence. i.e. more than just one person is affected by this example’s decision to engage into pornography). A well-known example of this could be seen with Ted Bundy. The real examples that one could pull from just pornography are endless. This is not to say that every person that indulges themselves into pornography will become a rapist; however, it does increases those chances the more allow pornography to be easily available.

Next point:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” ~ISAIAH 9:6

This scripture is was basically a foretelling of the role of Christ when he was to born on the earth. Here is another excerpt for your consideration:

The Declaration of Independence states, “[Men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” It also states that these rights are “self evident” and that they constitute the “Laws of Nature.” These principles are taken directly from the Bible.

The Law of Nature can be viewed in Romans 2:14-16. That our Creator is the Author of life is seen in Genesis 2:7. That God, not government, grants liberty is seen in Galatians 5:1. The “pursuit of happiness” is found in Ecclesiastes 3:13. (full article)

You see, our forefathers understood the principle behind the following scripture:

Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. (Psalms 33:12)

Now, let’s get into the actual issue of abortion.

Liberals will tell us that they support a woman’s right to choose; however, if you follow their historical stance on this issue, you will find that they have always vehemently fought for a woman’s right to abort a baby. When was the last time you have seen any liberal fight for those who choose to keep their baby? When was the last time have you seen a group like the National Organization of Women support a pro-life venue? Isn’t the choice to keep your baby an actual choice? Even though the pro-life movement only represents one side of the issue, they still represent one of two choices, right? That is why liberals must add to the “pro-choice” tag “pro-choice…to abort”. Of course, that does not sound to good.

I have already provided for you some scripture references earlier. Now I shall give you some brief history behind this issue.

Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood), was a racist eugenicist. There is a whole lot that I could provide to you regarding her life, but it would be too lengthy for this forum. I suggest you go to http://www.blackgenocide.org to read more about her. I will provide you with the following excerpt:

From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the “unfit.” Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword:

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them (full article).

You will also find that throughout the history of Planned Parenthood, they have especially targeted Black, Hispanic, and poor White communities. How can someone who professes to be a Christian, be OK with an organization such as Planned Parenthood who fills our inner-cites with abortion clinics and tell us that if you are poor, unmarried, and pregnant, abortion should be an option? If that is not systematic genocide, then please define it for me. You will even hear some liberals justify abortion by suggesting it incorporates “much needed” population control. Did you know:

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

and,

On average, 1,452 black babies are aborted every day in the United States. (figure from the Centers for Disease Control)

Groups like the NAACP have always found it easy to shake down a state for having a confederate flag grafted into the state flag charging that it invokes the memories of this country’s racist past (even though I have not met a black person who was brought to tears because they saw a confederate flag). Also, many black liberals are very quick to remind movie producers of their blatant omission of historical facts. With that being said, when was the last time the NAACP or better yet, the ACLU (who recently had the cross taken off of the city of Los Angeles seal because it may offend others. Mind you, the cross was a representation of the monks who helped settle that city) demand that Planned Parenthood recant the racist past of their organization? Margaret Sanger’s own book confirms her racist attitudes, yet liberals have remained silent about this.

If God is pro-choice, then that means that based on your logic, although those who took us in as slaves in the country were in the wrong, their right to choose to enslave us was something that should have been protected. Your logic also means that if a grown man decides to have sex with a under age boy, even if it is consensual, their choice to do so should be protected by law. Where does it end? There has to be some type of moral boundaries incorporated into the law that would prevent such actions.

I also believe that there should not be some type of moral police that goes around door to door seeing what immorality has been committed in your household. In the end, people are going to do what they want to do anyway. We just need to know that there are some limits.

The “What about Murder Debate?” and Where is God on Same Sex Marriages?

I think that I can sum up your next two points on Murder and Same-sex marriage.

In both points you bring up the notion that the laws of this country were created based on a majority made up of various belief systems. Although this may be true in some incidents, it was the majority that agreed on one thing: The bible was to be the source of inspiration. I would encourage you to not only read the founding documents of this nation, but to also read the biographies of the founding fathers who laid the groundwork of this nation. You will see that although they came from different backgrounds, they shared a mutual respect for the bible. So much so, they were inspired by it in many ways. I would also encourage you to visit some of the monuments that can be found in the DC area. You will not find any surahs inscribed on any of them. I would also advise you to please hurry to go visit the various monuments and take plenty of pictures. It will not be too long before the ACLU has them all removed .

If you look at a Muslim country, for example, you will see that all of their laws are inspired by the Koran. The same applied here in the US as we were founded on Judeo-Christian values. Now granted, they were not always interpreted correctly (such is the case with slavery being justified in the Bible). But it does not change the fact that it is the Bible, not just popular opinion that has played a central role in the laws of our country. Another thing you may want to consider in your argument is that the Bible is historically older than religions such as Islam. So if anything else, Islam got the idea that murder was wrong from the Bible. So no matter how you may look at it, the moral values that were used to draft the foundations of this nation all comes from the Bible.

With that being said, since the Bible was used as the inspiration in the founding of this nation, same-sex marriage is something that was not included in the drafting of the Constitution. With this in mind, we must look to the Bible in order to understand the original intent behind documents such as the Constitution. I will keep this short: Nowhere in the Bible is same-sex marriage sanctioned in any way. As I mentioned earlier, yes, God does give us the power to choose, however God does provide warnings regarding the homosexual lifestyle.

-Genesis 19:1-29

-Deuteronomy 23:17

-1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46

-2 Kings 23:7

Should homosexuals be treated as outcast? No way! They should be treated with the dignity and respect that all men and women deserve. However, this does not mean that we should condone or agree with it.

Question for you: Using your definition of choice, what is your take on how 11 states unanimously voted or chose to oppose gay marriages, yet liberal groups are still fighting to override what the majority had already decided?