Comments on: “We may be the first society in history to turn against its males.” http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d Engaging the culture by challenging the status quo Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sandra http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1259 sandra Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:50:37 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1259 We're talking about a "spirit" which pervades the world right now. The "female spirit" tends to be emotional and subservient. I'm not talking about women. I'm talking about a spirit .In general I find the "male spirit" tends to be more "independent" , "objective" "calm" and centered. How can those who want to "rule the world"(global world order) get power with "real men" in position of authority? As I write this, what comes to mind are the young men who at one time , as a fashion trend, had pacifiers around their neck. Look at many of our young men and what you see are men being conditioned to be "babies",in some cases by the images in mass media, and by their own mothers. It's more comfortable for some mothers(not all) to have a son who is accomodating and sweet(A momma's boy, if you will) There is a subtle conditioning to get rid of the traditional male spirit as we know it. We’re talking about a “spirit” which pervades the world right now. The “female spirit” tends to be emotional and subservient. I’m not talking about women. I’m talking about a spirit .In general I find the “male spirit” tends to be more “independent” , “objective” “calm” and centered. How can those who want to “rule the world”(global world order) get power with “real men” in position of authority? As I write this, what comes to mind are the young men who at one time , as a fashion trend, had pacifiers around their neck. Look at many of our young men and what you see are men being conditioned to be “babies”,in some cases by the images in mass media, and by their own mothers. It’s more comfortable for some mothers(not all) to have a son who is accomodating and sweet(A momma’s boy, if you will) There is a subtle conditioning to get rid of the traditional male spirit as we know it.

]]> By: Duane http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1258 Duane Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:50:22 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1258 Case in point- A while ago, thinking that I was trying to nice I opened the door for woman- she called me a male chauvinist. huh? Case in point-

A while ago, thinking that I was trying to nice I opened the door for woman-

she called me a male chauvinist.

huh?

]]> By: Keith http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1257 Keith Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:20:53 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1257 The fact is that males and females are different. And thank God that we are! However the left of society (through-out the world, not just in America) has a utopian dream of making all things equal for all people in all places. They cannot accept the fact that men and women are different and do contribute equallt to society, but in different ways. When we began demanding that women be treated as men, we brought almost to a 100% end any honoring of women. Your wife, your girlfirend, heck they are just another one of the guy's now. Want to offend a 'modern' woman? Open the door for her, buy her dinner. Tell her she need not work, but that you can provide for a family while she can be a full time mother. When women do not fill their God given roles and men do not fill their God given roles, society will begin to fall apart. We are the proof. The fact is that males and females are different.

And thank God that we are!

However the left of society (through-out the world, not just in America) has a utopian dream of making all things equal for all people in all places.

They cannot accept the fact that men and women are different and do contribute equallt to society, but in different ways.

When we began demanding that women be treated as men, we brought almost to a 100% end any honoring of women.

Your wife, your girlfirend, heck they are just another one of the guy’s now.

Want to offend a ‘modern’ woman?

Open the door for her, buy her dinner.

Tell her she need not work, but that you can provide for a family while she can be a full time mother.

When women do not fill their God given roles and men do not fill their God given roles, society will begin to fall apart.

We are the proof.

]]> By: Duane http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1256 Duane Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:24:52 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1256 Then I invite you to take a look at the large amount of boys that have been misdiagnosed of having ADHD as one of many examples. <i>Nor do I accept that this trijnity of character traits is inherently “female” any more than aggression is “male.” The inherent male/female differences are technical and complex, things like spatial orientation and the like, not this pop psych hoohah.</i> As far as what you accept as reality is up to you. The fact of the matter is that boys BY NATURE are more aggressive than women. Being "male" or "female" is more than just a state of mind, it is something that has already been set in place by nature. Aggressiveness these days has become a bad word in many circles. Using your argument, the only reason why we do not see more women playing in the NFL (for example) is simply because men have stopped them from doing it. <i>...but as the father of a 9 year old girl, I can assure you it is all but impossible to find, as a matter of course, stories, games, toys, and role models that are women.</i> Strange! I too am a father of a girl (and a boy) and I never had a problem finding female role models for her-- government, family, friends, etc. Have you taken the time to watch most children's programing? Although the male may be the lead character in most cases, it is the female character that usually has the smarts to save the day (As one who closely monitors what my kids watch--not at all suggesting here that you don't 'cause I do not know you--, I can provide for you plenty of examples if you are interested). If you are that serious about finding strong women role models, I will be more than happy to assist you---unless of course you was just trying to make a baseless point. Another area you may want to investigate is the current welfare system that makes it more beneficial for the single mom to stay single than for her to get married. Yeah, there are plenty of examples. Then I invite you to take a look at the large amount of boys that have been misdiagnosed of having ADHD as one of many examples.

Nor do I accept that this trijnity of character traits is inherently “female” any more than aggression is “male.” The inherent male/female differences are technical and complex, things like spatial orientation and the like, not this pop psych hoohah.

As far as what you accept as reality is up to you. The fact of the matter is that boys BY NATURE are more aggressive than women. Being “male” or “female” is more than just a state of mind, it is something that has already been set in place by nature. Aggressiveness these days has become a bad word in many circles. Using your argument, the only reason why we do not see more women playing in the NFL (for example) is simply because men have stopped them from doing it.

…but as the father of a 9 year old girl, I can assure you it is all but impossible to find, as a matter of course, stories, games, toys, and role models that are women.

Strange! I too am a father of a girl (and a boy) and I never had a problem finding female role models for her– government, family, friends, etc. Have you taken the time to watch most children’s programing? Although the male may be the lead character in most cases, it is the female character that usually has the smarts to save the day (As one who closely monitors what my kids watch–not at all suggesting here that you don’t ’cause I do not know you–, I can provide for you plenty of examples if you are interested). If you are that serious about finding strong women role models, I will be more than happy to assist you—unless of course you was just trying to make a baseless point.

Another area you may want to investigate is the current welfare system that makes it more beneficial for the single mom to stay single than for her to get married.

Yeah, there are plenty of examples.

]]> By: tristero http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1255 tristero Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:55:42 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1255 If there's any evidence that boys are less competitive, more emotionally expressive, and/or more nurturing, I haven't seen it. And what's wrong with that? Nothing , as far as I can tell. Even for boys? Yup. Never hurt me, and I am also quite ambitious and assertive. In fact, it helps one be more effective in getting things done. Nor do I accept that this trijnity of character traits is inherently "female" any more than aggression is "male." The inherent male/female differences are technical and complex, things like spatial orientation and the like, not this pop psych hoohah. I see no war against boys, but as the father of a 9 year old girl, I can assure you it is all but impossible to find, as a matter of course, stories, games, toys, and role models that are women. Try buying a science toy for a kid. You may be able to find one or two that show a girl, but you won't find any that show only girls - note the plural. You will find plenty that show only boys. And it goes on and on and on in nearly every area of child socialization. If there’s any evidence that boys are less competitive, more emotionally expressive, and/or more nurturing, I haven’t seen it. And what’s wrong with that? Nothing , as far as I can tell. Even for boys? Yup. Never hurt me, and I am also quite ambitious and assertive. In fact, it helps one be more effective in getting things done.

Nor do I accept that this trijnity of character traits is inherently “female” any more than aggression is “male.” The inherent male/female differences are technical and complex, things like spatial orientation and the like, not this pop psych hoohah.

I see no war against boys, but as the father of a 9 year old girl, I can assure you it is all but impossible to find, as a matter of course, stories, games, toys, and role models that are women. Try buying a science toy for a kid. You may be able to find one or two that show a girl, but you won’t find any that show only girls – note the plural. You will find plenty that show only boys. And it goes on and on and on in nearly every area of child socialization.

]]> By: Duane http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1254 Duane Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:15:18 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1254 Barbara, So what of the millions of men out there who have not been guilty of the "crime" you speak of? Are they (we) to automatically pay for the sins of those who have crossed the line before us? Andrea , <i>I sincerely hope the author was not implying that the only heroes on September 11 were male.</i> No. I think you read that into it. Tim, <em>gender values are always socially constructed</em> Could you elaborate? Barbara,

So what of the millions of men out there who have not been guilty of the “crime” you speak of? Are they (we) to automatically pay for the sins of those who have crossed the line before us?

Andrea ,

I sincerely hope the author was not implying that the only heroes on September 11 were male.

No. I think you read that into it.

Tim,

gender values are always socially constructed

Could you elaborate?

]]> By: Tim Behrend http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1253 Tim Behrend Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:06:03 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1253 Neither TF nor CHS seems to realise that gender values are always socially constructed - this isn't a marginal sociological theory, but the very stuff of social and critical theory. There is no such thing as "masculinity" apart from particular ways of being masculine in particular societies at particular times. Of course gender construction builds on given sexual traits, including behavioural tendencies. But the incredible variety of gender (and family) models around the world is incontrovertible. It's hard to believe that CHS has a PhD in philosophy: her discourse is full of straw men and other tools of distraction that she should have learned to identify and avoid way back in Logic 101. Tim Behrend Auckland, NZ Neither TF nor CHS seems to realise that gender values are always socially constructed – this isn’t a marginal sociological theory, but the very stuff of social and critical theory. There is no such thing as “masculinity” apart from particular ways of being masculine in particular societies at particular times. Of course gender construction builds on given sexual traits, including behavioural tendencies. But the incredible variety of gender (and family) models around the world is incontrovertible. It’s hard to believe that CHS has a PhD in philosophy: her discourse is full of straw men and other tools of distraction that she should have learned to identify and avoid way back in Logic 101.

Tim Behrend

Auckland, NZ

]]> By: Andrea http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1252 Andrea Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:26:46 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1252 "The inspiring display of male heroism on September 11 should lead the gender warriors to soften their negative attitudes toward boys and men." I sincerely hope the author was not implying that the only heroes on September 11 were male. I would direct any interested readers to the following website to learn more about the women who risked (and in some cases lost) their lives at Ground Zero: http://www.womenatgroundzero.com/Pages/Project.html “The inspiring display of male heroism on September 11 should lead the

gender warriors to soften their negative attitudes toward boys and men.”

I sincerely hope the author was not implying that the only heroes on September 11 were male. I would direct any interested readers to the following website to learn more about the women who risked (and in some cases lost) their lives at Ground Zero: http://www.womenatgroundzero.com/Pages/Project.html

]]> By: Barbara Israel http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1#comment-1251 Barbara Israel Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:36:54 +0000 http://blackinformant.com/2005/08/23/%e2%80%9cwe-may-be-the-first-society-in-history-to-turn-against-its-males%e2%80%9d/#comment-1251 The harm that has been done to women can never be repaired completely. Most women never completely own themselves because the patriarchy is so deeply entrenched that most women never fully mature. That men may have to embrace some compromises to help right this wrong is only the tip of the iceberg regarding what needs to be done to correct the male primate's desire to dominate without apology all females that come within his sphere. If the world should ever come to be a place where women can beat and kill their men if they feel like it, without penalty only then will the pendulem have swung too far. The harm that has been done to women can never be repaired completely. Most women never completely own themselves because the patriarchy is so deeply entrenched that most women never fully mature. That men may have to embrace some compromises to help right this wrong is only the tip of the iceberg regarding what needs to be done to correct the male primate’s desire to dominate without apology all females that come within his sphere. If the world should ever come to be a place where women can beat and kill their men if they feel like it, without penalty only then will the pendulem have swung too far.

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