I’m really just asking questions here because I am curious about the whole thing.

I am curious about what programs were removed from FAMU that would cause them to lag this far behind FSU. Plus, I also wonder if other schools (non-HBCUs) were affected by this bracketing.

Rome was not built in a day, so I’ll try to track this one in the days ahead. In the meantime, I’m gonna hit these smoked chicken and ribs before all that’s left are greasy tupperware bowls.

Happy New Year!

The D.S. abridged version is, they had programs, and were relieved of said programs because the white schools wanted them. They were historically underfunded and denied programs. Then, a new scale was put into place for all Florida schools that put the schools in brackets. The thing is, FAMU and another HBCU in the state, were hurt by the bracketing because of past actions against the school intended to build the white schools and harm the HBCUs.

My SIL is an FAMU alum and I got the full version from her and her fellow FAMU alumni friends

These other schools = Any non-HBCU

As I said before, race has now become a qualifier instead of the deterrent for Black students looking to enroll in most colleges and universities. As you pointed out in your last comment, many of these kids are starting out way behind in the first place. But that has NOTHING to do with racial policies of the college and everything to do with how these kids are being prepared before they get there in the first place. That should be the responsibility of these primary schools, not colleges and universities, HBCUs or not.

Out here in Cali, UCLA was pressured by some Blacks in LA to sidestep prop 209 and increase Black enrollment while relaxing some of the other academic requirements. I use “pressured” lightly because they were already inching their way to do this anyway. UCLA calls it “holistic admissions”.

When fighting for their survival when white politicians want to kill HBCUs, yes, from what I can tell.

But let’s not forget that HBCUs are quick to compare themselves to historically mostly White schools when it comes to preparing Blacks for the workforce. HBCUs also compete and at times win against mostly-White when competing for corporate donations. But as I pointed out in the article quoted in this post, when one is under-performing, a comparison was made with schools that are doing worse. Seems to me that FAMU is trying to have it both ways. I cannot speak for all the other HBCUs.

Except, they are starting way behind in the first place.

If some of these HBCUs are operating as part-time high schools, then I would think part of their budget should come from the same pot (so to speak) as local high schools in the area (if its not being done already).

I don’t agree with that one. If they are a college, maybe somewhere between JuCo and 4 Year if there can be no justification.

If they are a university, then thatssomething else.

Are politicians the only ones doing this?
When fighting for their survival when white politicians want to kill HBCUs, yes, from what I can tell.
HBCUs have been for years complaining that they are not getting the same funding as *other* colleges and universities.And that is correct, however at least in Maryland, the complaints are valid and the complaints are based on other direct issues. Then the historical underfunding comes into play. In fact, former governor Rob Ehrlich (R), agreed with this (especially since the hard numbers can’t be refuted) and increased funding to Maryland HBCUs to the highest level they have ever been.

I don’t think it can be made any plainer than what I said. There was a time in our history where Blacks were being turned away because of race. Today we live in an era where race is a qualifier.

..but the state HBCUs are forced to compare themselves because the local/state politicians do so.

Are politicians the only ones doing this? HBCUs have been for years complaining that they are not getting the same funding as *other* colleges and universities. Seems to me if they want to be equally-funded, they should be measured equally when it comes to student output. If some of these HBCUs are operating as part-time high schools, then I would think part of their budget should come from the same pot (so to speak) as local high schools in the area (if its not being done already). That in of itself opens up a whole ‘nother can of worms because there are plenty of non-HBCUs out there that are nothing more than high school without the school buses.

Just so that I am clear, I think there are many HBCUs that have proven their worth to the marketplace over the years. If someone is going to suggest shutting down HBCUs, then by the same measure, shut down other colleges that are of little worth to the marketplace. I did not hear that suggestion coming from Seth Harper in Atlanta.

Huh?

Plus, if it is part of the process to provide remedial education in HBCUs, then does it even make sense to compare them to schools who historically do not provide that type of service?

From what I have read, most try not to be, but the state HBCUs are forced to compare themselves because the local/state politicians do so.

Does that makes sense?

There is a reason why these other schools do accept these students. And based on the last few decades, I do not think race is one of those reasons. Plus, if it is part of the process to provide remedial education in HBCUs, then does it even make sense to compare them to schools who historically do not provide that type of service?

Many state HBCUs have been saying for some time that they accept students other colleges don’t, so remedial education is a part of the process.

If FSU is graduating at a greater rate than FAMU, then a look at what FSU is doing is in order.

FSU Undergrad: $17,212

FAMU Undergrad: $15,134