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	<title>Comments on: Quick factoid on the same-sex marriage issue here in CA</title>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/commentary/quick-factoid-on-the-same-sex-marriage-issue-here-in-ca/comment-page-1#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That fact that you have to quantify your statement with “virtually the same…” answers your own question.&lt;/i&gt;



Not my statement.



&lt;i&gt;Probably, but that is easy for me or you to say when we are not the ones being discriminated against in this case.&lt;/i&gt;



The only &quot;discrimination&quot; they are subjected to in this case has to do with the financial benefits that can received by being legally married. Beyond that, from an economic, educational and social perspective they have a well-established record of excelling in these areas in this country--unlike folks who do not have the ability to change or cover up the characteristic(s) that set them apart from the majority.



&lt;i&gt;Black people do not own the the term “civil rights”.&lt;/i&gt;



True indeed. Yet many of their surrogates in the media as well as the organizations that are pushing for this policy have no problem comparing their plight to that of Blacks years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That fact that you have to quantify your statement with “virtually the same…” answers your own question.</i></p>
<p>Not my statement.</p>
<p><i>Probably, but that is easy for me or you to say when we are not the ones being discriminated against in this case.</i></p>
<p>The only &#8220;discrimination&#8221; they are subjected to in this case has to do with the financial benefits that can received by being legally married. Beyond that, from an economic, educational and social perspective they have a well-established record of excelling in these areas in this country&#8211;unlike folks who do not have the ability to change or cover up the characteristic(s) that set them apart from the majority.</p>
<p><i>Black people do not own the the term “civil rights”.</i></p>
<p>True indeed. Yet many of their surrogates in the media as well as the organizations that are pushing for this policy have no problem comparing their plight to that of Blacks years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizz</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/commentary/quick-factoid-on-the-same-sex-marriage-issue-here-in-ca/comment-page-1#comment-6396</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is the this mysterious person or group who is trying to destroy marriage by redefining it?? AND WHY??  My marriage will NOT suffer one iota if gay people start getting married..  Neither will my daughters weddings in the future.



That fact that you have to quantify your statement with &quot;virtually the same...&quot; answers your own question. Either do away with the rights given to married people by the government or give them everyone...  I don&#039;t see why this is so hard to understand. It has nothing to do with what group suffered the most or whatever... Is &quot;less than human&quot; an overstatement?..  Probably, but that is easy for me or you to say when we are not the ones being discriminated against in this case.  Black people do not own the the term &quot;civil rights&quot;.



Does this stop people from doing what they want to do—??

YES....  It stops them from getting married.. WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is the this mysterious person or group who is trying to destroy marriage by redefining it?? AND WHY??  My marriage will NOT suffer one iota if gay people start getting married..  Neither will my daughters weddings in the future.</p>
<p>That fact that you have to quantify your statement with &#8220;virtually the same&#8230;&#8221; answers your own question. Either do away with the rights given to married people by the government or give them everyone&#8230;  I don&#8217;t see why this is so hard to understand. It has nothing to do with what group suffered the most or whatever&#8230; Is &#8220;less than human&#8221; an overstatement?..  Probably, but that is easy for me or you to say when we are not the ones being discriminated against in this case.  Black people do not own the the term &#8220;civil rights&#8221;.</p>
<p>Does this stop people from doing what they want to do—??</p>
<p>YES&#8230;.  It stops them from getting married.. WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In fact, most states don’t even allow for civil unions or recognize domestic partnerships.&lt;/i&gt;



Does this stop people from doing what they want to do---and that is to have sex and live with whomever they wish? No.



&lt;i&gt;Homosexual couples are frequently prosecuted under sodomy statutes in many states.&lt;/i&gt;



And how did the Supreme court decide in the issue of Sodomy laws? And let&#039;s not forget that those sodomy laws as of late have targeted adults who have sex with minors, not gays.



&lt;i&gt;Acknowledged homosexuals aren’t permitted to serve in the U.S. military.&lt;/i&gt;



It&#039;s called &quot;Don&#039;t ask, Don&#039;t tell&quot;. Since government should stay out of our bedrooms, why would someone want to solicit that information if it has nothing to do with the job? It&#039;s none of the government&#039;s business, right?



Notice how you are the one avoiding the central issue here, and that is same-sex marriage and how this one issue keeps homosexuals from enjoying the same freedoms heterosexuals enjoy in this country while comparing them to Blacks in the Jim Crow South.



&lt;i&gt;Again… you’re positing a straw man here.&lt;/i&gt;



Aww come on man! Anything you cannot argue directly you call it a straw man. Stay on point regarding same-sex marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In fact, most states don’t even allow for civil unions or recognize domestic partnerships.</i></p>
<p>Does this stop people from doing what they want to do&#8212;and that is to have sex and live with whomever they wish? No.</p>
<p><i>Homosexual couples are frequently prosecuted under sodomy statutes in many states.</i></p>
<p>And how did the Supreme court decide in the issue of Sodomy laws? And let&#8217;s not forget that those sodomy laws as of late have targeted adults who have sex with minors, not gays.</p>
<p><i>Acknowledged homosexuals aren’t permitted to serve in the U.S. military.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask, Don&#8217;t tell&#8221;. Since government should stay out of our bedrooms, why would someone want to solicit that information if it has nothing to do with the job? It&#8217;s none of the government&#8217;s business, right?</p>
<p>Notice how you are the one avoiding the central issue here, and that is same-sex marriage and how this one issue keeps homosexuals from enjoying the same freedoms heterosexuals enjoy in this country while comparing them to Blacks in the Jim Crow South.</p>
<p><i>Again… you’re positing a straw man here.</i></p>
<p>Aww come on man! Anything you cannot argue directly you call it a straw man. Stay on point regarding same-sex marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: MIB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Such as?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



Same-sex marriage bans are in effect in many states.  In fact, most states don&#039;t even allow for civil unions or recognize domestic partnerships.



Homosexual couples are frequently prosecuted under sodomy statutes in many states.



Acknowledged homosexuals aren&#039;t permitted to serve in the U.S. military.



Again... you&#039;re positing a straw man here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Such as?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Same-sex marriage bans are in effect in many states.  In fact, most states don&#8217;t even allow for civil unions or recognize domestic partnerships.</p>
<p>Homosexual couples are frequently prosecuted under sodomy statutes in many states.</p>
<p>Acknowledged homosexuals aren&#8217;t permitted to serve in the U.S. military.</p>
<p>Again&#8230; you&#8217;re positing a straw man here.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yet homosexuals, as a class, are denied the protections of law as stated in the 14th Amendment just as Blacks were.&lt;/i&gt;



Such as?



And make sure you include how they are treated &#039;less than human&#039; similar to that with Blacks during the Jim Crow South &lt;strong&gt;as it relates to marriage&lt;/strong&gt;.



&lt;i&gt;Arguing over the degrees of relative harm is a full-blown waste of time and a distraction from the central issue.&lt;/i&gt;



I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yet homosexuals, as a class, are denied the protections of law as stated in the 14th Amendment just as Blacks were.</i></p>
<p>Such as?</p>
<p>And make sure you include how they are treated &#8216;less than human&#8217; similar to that with Blacks during the Jim Crow South <strong>as it relates to marriage</strong>.</p>
<p><i>Arguing over the degrees of relative harm is a full-blown waste of time and a distraction from the central issue.</i></p>
<p>I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: MIB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet homosexuals, as a class, are denied the protections of law as stated in the 14th Amendment just as Blacks were.  Any way you&#039;d care to spin it, both are examples of groups subjected to &lt;i&gt;de jure&lt;/i&gt; discrimination -- the only difference is the degree of disenfranchisement.



Arguing over the degrees of relative harm is a full-blown waste of time and a distraction from the central issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet homosexuals, as a class, are denied the protections of law as stated in the 14th Amendment just as Blacks were.  Any way you&#8217;d care to spin it, both are examples of groups subjected to <i>de jure</i> discrimination &#8212; the only difference is the degree of disenfranchisement.</p>
<p>Arguing over the degrees of relative harm is a full-blown waste of time and a distraction from the central issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.blackinformant.com/commentary/quick-factoid-on-the-same-sex-marriage-issue-here-in-ca/comment-page-1#comment-6391</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course not.



But the ones that the media continues to hold up as &quot;modern-day victims of Jim Crow II&quot; who whine about being treated as &#039;less than human&#039; just because they are unable to get married tend to fall in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not.</p>
<p>But the ones that the media continues to hold up as &#8220;modern-day victims of Jim Crow II&#8221; who whine about being treated as &#8216;less than human&#8217; just because they are unable to get married tend to fall in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: colonel</title>
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		<dc:creator>colonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all gay people are wealthy, white, and male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all gay people are wealthy, white, and male.</p>
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