According to some of the press conferences that I have seen, they have obtained information that have led them to terrorist safe houses, location of some of their top leaders, weapons caches, etc. (You will have to do a search yourself to find out the particulars).

Doug, keep returning to Duanes site I assure you it’s one of the best.

BH, Gitmo is no grey area.

It exists for a specific purpose and that purpose is being fulfilled very well

The Geneva Convention btw applies only to those who are a signatory of the convention.

The Taliban and Ossama’s band of merry men have not signed the convention of course and are then not at all covered by the convention.

Here is a fantasy field trip.

If you could go to Rikers Island and witness daily life there and then go to Gitmo and witness daily life there.

Guess which prision you would choose.

I am a 24 fiend (Gotta love a show with a Black President )

I think it is very healthy for the American public to hold the goings on in gitmo accountable to some sense of sanity. But at the same time, if there is proof that the info extracted has saved lives, tracked down terrorists, and prevented future attacks, I say continue to use any means necessary to get the info.

That show 24 had a similar situation in one of the final episodes (I don’t know if you watched it or not–pretty good show, but too many unrealistic twists)

Torture seems reasonable when you assume everyone in Gitmo is guilty. But that is not known for sure. And there is no processes to dertermine who is guilty of anything.

How?

I think we can all agree that torture is not pleasant, BUT here are the differences here: jihadist torture to kill, the US tortures to get information that will save lives. I’m all down with the humanity bit, but I have yet to hear from anybody another way to extract information from people who have been trained for years not to respond to traditional methods of questioning. The bright light in a dark room does not work (what’s funny is that if they did use the bright light/dark room approach, people will be up in arms about that accusing the US for damaging their eyesight.).

So again, I ask the question: How?

Duane:

Because we are not going to win the war by simply killing or torturing the enemy. Or those we perceive to be the enemy. By doing so we only make more insurgents and terrorist. We must change how we are perceived in the world. hat is done by act more just as a Nation.

Doug:

Why is Gitmo a gray area? It is a prison camp on territory of the United States.

It s a gray area because if it where a US territory the US Constitution would be in force there. It is not. Neither is International Law. People can be taken there and held with out benefit of counsel indefinably. With out trial or any means to contest thier status. Where else in the whole world can this happen legally ? Notice I haven’t even mentioned the torture.

Try again.

PS. Just found this site. I am impressed. Will be returning.

And your point is….?

That was already determined by the Geneva Convention; however, jihadist do not abide by that convention. Why should we if we are to win this war?

There is no reset button for this war.